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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2014, 11:26:04 AM »
I don't think its Allophylus at the end - I simply tried to search plants from Kerala that correspond. But without flowers and without knowledge on fruits inside from the Keralite flora - difficult for me :(

Im with you. Based just in fruits appearance, I think its a Sapindaceae.

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2014, 11:36:30 AM »
I think I finally identified the fruit: Pappea capensis, from the Sapindaceae family. Looks close enough:
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantnop/papcap.htm

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2014, 11:37:56 AM »
Note the rather inconspicous calyx at the base of the fruit, which is not present in sapindaceae. I am certain that this is a species of Ixora, perhaps Ixora brachiata? This species looks much like the photo of thondi.

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Small tree, up to 7 meters tall. Fruit berry, red-purple, 5 mm across, globose, glabrous; pyrenes planoconvex.

The fruit in the photo appears to be unripe:


More information here: http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/13804

Cassio, Pappea capensis is an Africa native, and a rather uncommon one at that. I am doubtful of it's presence in Kerala.

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2014, 12:11:43 PM »
Note the rather inconspicous calyx at the base of the fruit, which is not present in sapindaceae.
Cassio, Pappea capensis is an Africa native, and a rather uncommon one at that. I am doubtful of it's presence in Kerala.

Good points! I missed the calyx.

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2014, 02:01:47 AM »
HERE IS SOME MORE PICS...IT IS NOT Pappea capensis...



« Last Edit: July 02, 2014, 02:04:33 AM by ajeshcool47 »

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2014, 02:18:15 PM »
What about Muntingiaceae? The dominate species in this family Muntingia calabura is found throughout Southeast Asia and the leaves and fruit look very similar. Only problem is that one has waxy fruit whereas this one is glaucous and this family is not native to Asia at all, only the Neotropics. But it's the best morphological match I've seen so far.

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2014, 09:35:52 PM »
There are thorns in the plants. clear pic of leaves. other local names 'chulukutti pazham' , Kottapazham


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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2014, 03:05:39 AM »
That clinches it, It's a Ziziphus oenoplia, like the jujube
https://www.google.com/images?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Ziziphus%20oenoplia&btnG=Search&gws_rd=ssl
in the Rhamnaceae.

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2014, 03:26:00 AM »
It is not Ziziphus oenoplia

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2014, 03:55:07 AM »
Have a look on Ziziphus fruit structure, leafs, branches....
It is not Ziziphus sp.

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2014, 03:57:29 AM »
Until now none of us did determine the species, neither even Genus.

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2014, 04:36:47 AM »
It is Flacourtia montana
Family Flacourtiaceae


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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2014, 04:42:18 AM »
It is Flacourtia montana
Family Flacourtiaceae


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Are You sure dear Digpati? It looks different :(

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2014, 05:35:30 AM »
Here it looked a bit differen't, both , fruit and leafs:
http://www.biotik.org/india/species/f/flacmont/flacmont_en.html
That is why I asked

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2014, 06:09:43 AM »
dear all it is not Flacourtia montana...i know Flacourtia montana...,and its comon name here is CHALIRU....that is also edible...Flacourtia montana is out and out thorny...,but thondy has a few thrones...
« Last Edit: July 08, 2014, 06:18:45 AM by ajeshcool47 »

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2014, 08:37:33 AM »
Examine the leaves carefully.There is only one seed in the fruit.Observe the color & taste of the fruit when ripe.There are thorns on the plant.
If it is not Flacoutia montana,then find the exact botanical name and tell the world.
I feel the fruit should be identified by its scientific name,at least the species while offering to the members for trade or sale..

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2014, 08:57:54 AM »
Hasn't any of You a detailed Field Guide of plants of Kerala?
I find only superficial guides, that o not include the whole flora.
But for You it should be easier.
If You want me may search for a Botanist from Kerala.

If any of You has seen the flowers we could at least be ure for the family!
Thorns I cannot see, but Sreekumar stated that there are thorns, so maybe it would be good to know what kind of thorns.

If it is not an extremely rare plant, what it doesn't seem to be, as many of You know it, there must be a consensus on its Classification I suppose!

May I ask, in what language is Thondi the name? Is it Malayalam name or another language?
Excuse me for the ignorance!
Have You tried to search it maybe using the original writing system?

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2014, 11:31:14 AM »
It is not Flacourtia Montana. Flacourtia Montana commonly called Loveloly(hope wild Loveloly)

 In kerala mainly 3 type's of thondi plants are there 1. Kakkathondi (Trichosanthus tricuspidata L.) from Cucurbitaceae family.
 2.second one is also called kakka thondi (Capparis sepiaria L.) from Capparidaceae.3. veli thondi (Alangium salvifolium Wang)fom the family Alangiaceae.

I don't think this fruit will come these three ,

but in Kerala locally this fruit we called as Thondi fruit. so still search going to find it exact botanical name.................
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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2014, 11:53:48 AM »
But the Alangium salvifolium looks actually quite similar, or am I wrong?

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2014, 11:59:15 AM »
yes u r right ....Alangium salvifolium looks some what similar to it...but cant be cent percent sure....

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2014, 12:03:55 PM »
How are the flowers of the plant?
At least approximately?

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2014, 12:51:19 PM »
but in Malayalam Thondi  is added under the family Sterculiaceae .

Alangium salvifolium  is called Ankolam, Azhinni, Arinjil ."Ankolam" is commonly used in Ayurvedic medicinal applications .

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2014, 12:22:59 AM »
yea it is Alangium salvifolium....confirmed...

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Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...Alangium salvifolium
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2014, 01:24:53 AM »
Finally the fruit is identified

Thanks Ajesh

Initially I suspected but some times pictures differ

I request forum members to identify the fruit species posted by me on the discussion board

Please identify Antidesma or other species on the same under the heading-"Any Antidesma species"?

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