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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2014, 07:52:09 PM »
Wow its fitting that you share a name that fruit looks amazing!!!
You inspire me that even a hobby fruit grower can with enough time and hard work achieve amazing things:)
Seems you may become abit of a fruit celebrity
Hopefully I can emulate you and one day start on the road to a better monkey orange.

The seeds you sent me are already popping out roots! very excited for your Boca Chewy:D
Those S.pungens have they arrived at you yet?
Seems slow even for S.A post so I hope I packed it right! Iv got more if need to resend.
The A.Senegalensis and S.spinosa is sent so should reach you soon.

How did you learn this art of breeding a better fruit tree. I would love to learn how beyond the bare basics. Is it even possible for someone with no botanical degree just enthusiasm, time and space:)
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2014, 07:58:26 PM »
The color too - here in Uganda most varieties are whitish in pulp color.

Soren I can send you some in trade for the ecotype  A.Senegalensis  for my breeding program?  Yes in Florida nursery like Excalibur, PIN & International backyard growers have managed to bring in every rainbow spectrum from vanilla to brick red!  I heard of the purple one from Northern Burma from Ruby traders( wife is a watch manufacturers so The traders get obscure stuff from the wild west frontier for me as a favor to the wife).  ;D
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2014, 08:03:11 PM »
It's very nice! Congratulations! Can you sell some seeds?  ;D

Sure for a zone pusher of outstanding reputation like yourself, my recalcitrant seed banks will make an exception!  ;D
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2014, 08:10:03 PM »
That is quite a beauty!

Thank Bob, Trec A. Montana  you send to me is slower to germinate than my sex life in my old age.  Perhaps we can trade for my plant next time you down in this next of the wood with a live trec montana for my superior montana breeding program! Hurry I just got an AARP card!  I want to die & be known as that Old fart that brought us better tasting A. glabra than top tropical & better A. montana for the Nordic country! :D
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2014, 08:21:10 PM »
Very, very, very nice Jack!

That is the fact Jack; hey what happen to the smooth skin surinam cherry you were going to sell to me? Did some one HiJack my seeds Jack? ::)
I sent you a pm.
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2014, 08:54:57 PM »
Wow looks and sounds tastey but why try to get low odor, I love the smell.  Congrats, can't wait for the siblings to start showing themselves.


I live in a gated Jewish Neighborhood in Boca Raton, home to the world largest population of Lawyers, trust fund babies and snobs that don't steal fruits as much as living in an appalachian redneck neighborhood among my own kind, we can have cows grazing the front yard.  Jackfruit smell can attract unwanted Nazi HOA  letters in Boca Raton were the President of United States come to Beg!! I breed jackfruit that have no odor so I can continue living in my self imposed prison of three Decades; a black sheep hiding among a flock of golden fleece sheep! ;D
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2014, 09:38:25 PM »
Can anyone point to a more creative writer on the forum than Coconut?  His writing skills are only second to his breeding skills.  This is a phenomenal outcome to over a decade of effort.  Congratulations man.  The combination of precociousness, color, latex free, taste and edible ratio is one helluv an accomplishment.  May your work be cast widely amongst the jackfruit lovers of the world and held in the esteem it deserves for millenia.

Did you germinate A. Squamosa big eyes yet?  I have two hundred & seven seedlings out of 210 seeds after three weeks, they might loose viability fast.  Yes I promised those poor South African Jackfruit fanatics good seedlings, I will send them tomorrow so it does not loose its Viability & sprout so Marcel & stuart can pot them! Great to see you bringing those Mango destitute Bermudian some relief from the Fruitless bermuda Triangle! ;D
That looks like an awesome jack! Would have loved to try it.

Well at least you saw the tree & fruit across the street.  The Rabbi was so happy I think he will Kosher the tree for me. The second fruit I let you know.  The Rabbi said it was the best Jack he ever had better than its parents.  So now I get to plant anything to my heart content at the Rabbi house! I am going to Have HOA cut down that 50 feet podocarpus, oh  maybe not I have just planted Berto's one lb size passionfruit & Mourad's landolphia under it to strangle it.  Sunday Morning I see I nail you a few snakehead for the smoker.  My Jewish Neighbor love them cold-smoke said snakehead white flesh LOX taste like white sturgeon LOX.  Oh yes this Jackfruit go well with smoke Lox & My sugar apple moonshine.

Next week I have The Boca Giant Chewy Ready to eat, some are a lb now other are getting to 2 lbs, shot a squirrel today who ate one intent for wife, she piss it stole the three lbs chewy ready this morning.  Oh well I am busy collecting the seeds in swimming pool to send to nathalie in Papua guinea.

Not yet.  I had to travel and want to be there to ensure proper care.  1 month in the US. Aug 12 they will be planted...

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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2014, 10:48:01 PM »
Congratulations on your no latex Jackfruit Coconut, sounds and looks amazing keep it up you just might change the plant world before you go! ;) 8)

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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2014, 11:18:16 PM »
Wow its fitting that you share a name that fruit looks amazing!!!
You inspire me that even a hobby fruit grower can with enough time and hard work achieve amazing things:)
Seems you may become abit of a fruit celebrity
Hopefully I can emulate you and one day start on the road to a better monkey orange.

The seeds you sent me are already popping out roots! very excited for your Boca Chewy:D
Those S.pungens have they arrived at you yet?
Seems slow even for S.A post so I hope I packed it right! Iv got more if need to resend.
The A.Senegalensis and S.spinosa is sent so should reach you soon.

How did you learn this art of breeding a better fruit tree. I would love to learn how beyond the bare basics. Is it even possible for someone with no botanical degree just enthusiasm, time and space:)


i have received your package today, soaking the seed now.  How is the Big Eyes annona doing, did it rooted in transit?  pm your address again so I can send you the cold strain Boca orange snob no latex jackfruit, you &  Marcell in Pretoria can develops your own S. african variety of  jAckfruit.

My degrees are in Economic/Accounting& Botany.  My Botany degree was corn & soybean craps that useless for me except I can speak pig Latin in Minnesota.  They did not give me any advantage in combat, the fact knowing to much book smart did not give this old fart a lot of gas to past on.  Ignorance is bliss.  Its my Martial art & Military background that gave me the edge.  Kill everything that is not useful, do not fall in love with each creation. Dont listen to other, trust yourself, believe in yourself. When you fail, give up run & retreat, regroup start over.  Snip every knowledge you can get but do not let your enemies know your strenght; show them your weakness.  When I breed I hunt down unknown entity rather than known entity that everyone already have.  Observe how each tree face adverse by dunking the plant in water for a week & watch how many died, survivor put them in a drought phase and see how many died, survivor put them in a walking freezer at your gas station or a friend who own a grocery & see how many died in 15 minutes, from that you now have seedlings to plant out for field trial.   Breeding is like equity trading, a random walk with certain parameters you escort it toward a common objective, you dont always get it perfect but what is the end result is better than before; this than become the foundation of your breeding discipline.

Since breeding is a stochastic walk, you dont need to come up with complex flo chart to cross a with b and c with d.  I just select whatever meet my ying yang philosophy; KISS keep it simple stupid is the golden law I follow through war & peace. There are no correct path to achieving one objective, but the fluid motion of doing something rather than nothing will lead you down the wrong path.

Ok I am not going to pretend to spin yarn of wisdom to fog your mind, just Do not trust any expert blindly including this old farts, always have the curiosity to ask a stupid & open to learn new thing, mistake made, accept it & move on.  I have 99% failure & only 1% success, to achieve more than the average you just need to trial more than the average every time and at all time to hit the lottery!  If you can pollinate ;D you are already a breeder.  Hey its Viagra night, wife is calling of the wild, I can not ignore the breeding siren!
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2014, 12:43:02 AM »
Congratulations on your no latex Jackfruit Coconut, sounds and looks amazing keep it up you just might change the plant world before you go! ;) 8)

Thank you. Yes I plan on using all the failed Jackfruit trees from my breeding as lumber for building my coffin when the time expired for me.  My headstone would read, he save world hunger with a Whitman Fiberless tasting A. Glabra Pond Apple & A. Montana Mountain soursop.  ;D
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2014, 01:57:11 AM »
Congratulations Coconut. Big effort but the result counts. It is a dream of each "proper" tropical fruit home grower to have this one to his collection! Your seeds are a hit. Can you send some fresh bulbs with the seeds inside? ;)
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2014, 02:28:48 AM »
Congrates Sure hard work pays. I am impressed and thanks for sharing pictures of the jack fruit

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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2014, 10:21:59 AM »
Congratulations Coconut. Big effort but the result counts. It is a dream of each "proper" tropical fruit home grower to have this one to his collection! Your seeds are a hit. Can you send some fresh bulbs with the seeds inside? ;)

Sorry the church school children ate them all, bulb aka carpel.  Never send jackfruit in its carpal or it will quickly sprout & carpel fermentation will kill it by arrival.

I understand your plight, I have already donate the first fruit seeds batch to a church 20 acres field trial plot; that promise was made a year ago for its parents for fruits they have tasted & love a year ago, I am killing the parents so now the offsprings seed are in high limited supply for my stabilization breeding over the next decade.  Some long time members who trade with me have bankrupt my recalcitrant vault.

I have another fruit still on tree not ripe yet and the lawyers in my hood have circle like vultures putting a lien on it and today I was served court papers by the local Union; the United Rodent 166 of Boca Point for shanghai their fruit to a Miami Church rather than keeping it local at a synagogue; these Jewish Bushy Terrorists are funded by PETA!   Check back with me in a month when litigation settle pertaining to this grave transgression on dispute fruit. I am not a nursery, just a back yard obtuse Sith Breeder of obscured fruits not sexy enough for prime time! ;D
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2014, 10:41:57 AM »
Congrates Sure hard work pays. I am impressed and thanks for sharing pictures of the jack fruit

mourad
Thank you Mourad, I am sending the seeds to Africa so they can further stabilize & develop for their climate.  Too bad I cant send you some to Canada,  but I have some new pakistani derive jack that might do well in your East Africa estate!  ;D
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2014, 10:23:58 PM »
Patience and diligent selection can pay off! Congratulations Coconut!!
Sorry to be the cynical type. But what happens if you pick one of those jacks before they are dead ripe, with wafting smell? Are they still totally latex free?
My own theory is that amount of latex in the fruit  is proportional to the amount of time you let it ripen.
Latex in the tree is a protective device, assuring fast healing to any part of the tree that is injured or cut. Is your  tree is completely latex free when any part of it is cut? If so would this also mean it is more likely to get fungal and other diseases when it is pruned?
Advantage of total latex free would be in grafting as rapid flow of latex is a big obstacle to succesful grafting.
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2014, 11:45:34 PM »
Awesome success, and writing. Inspiring.
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2014, 12:42:20 AM »
Coconut, sure glad you are out there doing your great jackfruit... work, all the best of success & thanks for what you do.
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2014, 05:15:41 PM »
Ron came over last Friday from work hoping to possibly taste the Boca Orange Snob No Latex but the fruit still green teasing us for a bite. Seeds from first fruit sprouted after I stuck it in my refrigerate & crank it down to 34 degree for a cold treatment of a week.  Some of you who were fortunately enough to receive my Seeds; please let me know how they sprout & duration.  I have discovered in past by almost freezing the seeds prior to germination each breeding cycle, most seeds perish, the one sprouted will carry on the cold resistant traits that is why I gave you extra. It look like this generation will be an almost 95% germination, the other 5% some rodent dug the seed out & partially ate a few seed.








All is not lost in this fruit-escapade, I came home an hour early in the day out in Parkland checking on Searle Brother's seedling jackfruit & discover a fruit that finally scented compare to the previous day, Thursday.  Here is a 35lbs Searle Brother's low latex jack that is one of the threesome swinger parents of Boca Orange Snob;















Its a delicious yellow white and I love its intense flavor of pine apple note & awesome intense juicy fruit odor, only latex was from the core & it was a low latex I am happy to massage with my gluttonous hands and stuffy my face with sticky goodness. Ron he was kind of in heaven, it was his first low latex jackfruit.

While he was in backyard I shown him the Pakistani seedling; a round fruit that have marble seeds and also one of the Third Parents of Boca Orange Snob no latex jackfruit.


Unfortunately the Pakistani seedlings were not ripe for our perennial tasters to sample the Menage a trois goodness.  The cold resistant dwarf vietnamese baby decide to abort its fruit this year, so we wont be able to see its thin skin low latex character; I am sure many if you have the baby Vietnamese jack popularize by Richard at Eccalibur Nursery in Boynton Beach. 

I look forward to a review by Ron for the Searle brother's Seedling.
As a side note Searle's Brothers nursery in sw ranch have their bi annual sale for rare palm collectors, the free grill hamburger just entice you to drop a few hundred there.  Like Broward 208 sale you never know what unique fine you drag out of there. :)
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2014, 05:45:11 PM »
Another large tasty fruit breed by Coconut. Congrats on the fruit harvest, hopefully I will the chance to taste a fruit sometime in the future. I have no Jackfruit tree yet, the photos and descriptions make me want to plant a Boca Orange Snob Jackfruit.
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2014, 10:14:21 PM »
So I have tried several different varieties of jackfruit over the years from various seedlings to Sleepdoc's Bangkok lemon and Harry's BG X T jack. This particular jack had very little latex compared to what I have seen.  I won't say it was latex free but it was a breeze to clean with only a minimal amount of oil on my knife. I cleaned my portion of the fruit (half) in about 10 minutes with the carpels tearing away very easily from the jack and I did it all on my kitchen counter which is a first for me. I always clean them in the back yard. The yellow flesh was firm and crunchy with a sweet refreshing taste very similar tasting of Bangkok Lemon from what I can remember. The fruit had lots of juice which was something I had only noticed once before while cleaning a jack. The juice was like drinking liquid juicy fruit. This particular variety ranks up there with the best jacks I have had in the past. I can't wait to try the Boca Orange Snob Hard to imagine it being much better than this one and if it is I'm definitely getting the chainsaw out and making room for it.

On a side note Coconut gave me some fresh palm heart today to try.  My only experience eating palm hearts was years ago from a can and I really didn't care for it.  This was a different experience it tasted like coconut meat to me similar in sweetness taste and texture. Now I just need to find some recipes to experiment with it.  If anyone has some suggestions please let me know.
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2014, 08:40:17 AM »
I received a package of boca snob no latex jackfruit seeds yesterday. I was sent about 17 seeds by the generous breeder of this awesome looking jackfruit!
My snail mail country made them take about a month to get to me but they were packed well and maybe 3 or 4 felt alittle soft.
Most however were firm and swelling with the skin split already a good sign!

Here are some pics of the seeds(ruler is in centimetres)






I'm very excited to have the opportunity to grow this and will keep posting pics as they develop.

Jack I would love to see a pic of the tree and leaves if you can.
 Iv noticed Jackfruit has crazy variation in leaves. There's one large and  old tree growing in a garden centre in my province  with very small thick oval leaves they just leave the smallish soccerball size fruits to mummify on the tree so either it's rubbish or no one there likes it! In comparison young thai sourced seedlings I have leaves are massive and have more pointed tips.
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2014, 12:40:06 PM »
Finally the second fruit have a slight smell today. You are in luck Stuart, 10 minutes ago I went out to check the second Boca Orange Snob No latex jack after reading your request for foto of the tree and to my amazement the tree is busy flushing news flowers; male & female infloresenses beside harvesting the second fruit. Here is the Boca Orange Snob No Latex grown in between Boca Giant Dwarf Samoan & Dwarf Spicata Coconuts.  The tree is heavily shade tight among Giant dwarf coconut;
















Here is seedling sprouts from the first fruit look like four strong candidates, the rest will be kill for not germinating & growing fast enough after two week of cold stratification in frigerature at 33-34 degree F.



And here is the second fruit, its smaller about 9.3 lbs and I think because half the fruit did not get full pollination;













Here is knife cut into it;









Here is knife, no latex;














Here is bare hand separating some love, the rags were not as sweet in this not fully pollinate fruit as the first. The quality is crunchy sweet a hint of fruit punch.  Does not have that pineapple note that one of its parent the Searle's Brother Seedling.  But it is good enough that I chainsaw down one of its parents to make room for the Boca Snob offsprings.























I am glad it is flowering again for this year & hopefully more fruits by December.  I am dreaming it will be an Ever bearing variety for my area so I can destroy my 200 jackfruit seedlings collection so I can concentrate on willughbeia & landolphia.  I am glad Stuart you are accepting the passing of my Olympic torch as the next Sith Breeder; so now I can die in peace (my wife & I are planning on selling everything, travel the world and raise hell, than our last stop; After we spent all our money nearly flat broke; we get Euthanize in Holland, cremate & our ashes among the Tulip field that we love--not a dime to Uncle Sam. ;D
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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2014, 01:55:51 PM »
When you start selling everything off I want to buy some seeds. ;D

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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2014, 05:46:11 PM »
Better to have your ashes spread around some tropical fruit trees.

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Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2014, 06:21:49 PM »
I received a package of boca snob no latex jackfruit seeds yesterday. I was sent about 17 seeds by the generous breeder of this awesome looking jackfruit!
My snail mail country made them take about a month to get to me but they were packed well and maybe 3 or 4 felt alittle soft.
Most however were firm and swelling with the skin split already a good sign!

Here are some pics of the seeds(ruler is in centimetres)

I'm very excited to have the opportunity to grow this and will keep posting pics as they develop.

Jack I would love to see a pic of the tree and leaves if you can.
 Iv noticed Jackfruit has crazy variation in leaves. There's one large and  old tree growing in a garden centre in my province  with very small thick oval leaves they just leave the smallish soccerball size fruits to mummify on the tree so either it's rubbish or no one there likes it! In comparison young thai sourced seedlings I have leaves are massive and have more pointed tips.

What medium were the seeds packaged in?

 

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