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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2015, 10:49:27 AM »
I'm excited to report, one of the rare Myrciarias (at least in USA), that I grafted about 3 yrs ago, is starting to flower.  (I will have to post pics of this tree later)

I'm surprised because the scion I used was small (maybe as thick as a chopstick at best)

This is a variety I can't find any information on, and have not been able to find a match throughout years of internet research.  I found the tree at my friend Charles Novak's house, so I named it "Novak", or "Novak Tart".

I've only been able to taste a few fruits, but they were acidic and packed with flavor.  Not something that would be enjoyed by everyone out of hand, but it would definitely be excellent for the preparation of jams, jellies, juices, wine, etc...

the flowers are on very short peduncles, (shortest I've seen pretty much), the foliage is a bit elongated, and slender (compared to Sabara), and fuzzy.  The growth habit is not exactly upright, it seems to spread out horizontally more than anything (but I assume this could be because it's a grafted tree, and the tree I got scions from was grafted as well)


here are pics of the first fruits produced by the mother tree, from which I got my scions (these photos were taken from an earlier post)...it's funny because the mother tree only fruited for the first time last year!  It was actually planted in the ground for many years, until the owner recently dug it up, about 3 yrs ago.  It really enjoyed all the attention, and the new environment for it's roots to thrive in.







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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2015, 10:50:43 PM »
here are pics of that 3yr old grafted "Novak" jaboticaba tree.

i can't believe it's flowering already...the scion was so thin and puny.

the tree is extremely rootbound, I'm sure that helped it decide to flower sooner.

this variety grows at a moderate rate, definitely quicker than other varieties I've grown...I'm praying for some fruit set...I'm excited to taste this unusual tart variety again.


graft union is hard to see, but you can see the scion has red bark, sabara rootstock is more gray/green

first flowers

another branch flowering (only found two branches so far with flowers)

whole tree (sorry contrast sucks, the shape of the tree is hard to see, but it's got a pretty growth habit, unlike sabara...it's canopy is more spreading.)

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #77 on: September 03, 2015, 09:42:29 AM »
Just found this thread Adam, and I am interested on the Myrciaria glomerata/glazioviana differences. I bought some seeds from Vivero Anones a couple years ago, and Sherry had them listed as glomerata. Have you grafted any of the more common Jabo types onto the glomerata/glazioviana species, other than stripes or guaquiea?
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #78 on: September 03, 2015, 10:59:39 AM »
Just found this thread Adam, and I am interested on the Myrciaria glomerata/glazioviana differences. I bought some seeds from Vivero Anones a couple years ago, and Sherry had them listed as glomerata. Have you grafted any of the more common Jabo types onto the glomerata/glazioviana species, other than stripes or guaquiea?

the seeds you got from vivero anones are most certainly M. glazioviana

i am responsible for introducing the real M. glomerata into the USA, and that was just this year!

and to your second question, the answer is yes! and it was a failure!
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2015, 09:10:52 PM »
this tree is still doing well, but growing very slow.

maybe this rootstock has a dwarfing effect??

Myrciaria dubia (Camu camu), grafted onto Myrciaria vexator (Blue Jaboticaba), I'm sure this is the first time anyone has documented this type of graft.

this looks very promising so far...although the growth rate is excruciatingly slow.

I will have to check my records, but I believe it's been about 1.5yrs since I grafted this tree, and it hasn't grown more than approx, 8inch of new growth.

still it doesn't seem to have issues with incompatablity (yet), and it definitely helps increase resistance to high pH (and the persistent problems that growers in FL will face with nutrient deficiencies).






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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2015, 10:51:12 PM »
We demand current photos of this tree!   ;D


this tree is still doing well, but growing very slow.

maybe this rootstock has a dwarfing effect??

Myrciaria dubia (Camu camu), grafted onto Myrciaria vexator (Blue Jaboticaba), I'm sure this is the first time anyone has documented this type of graft.

this looks very promising so far...although the growth rate is excruciatingly slow.

I will have to check my records, but I believe it's been about 1.5yrs since I grafted this tree, and it hasn't grown more than approx, 8inch of new growth.

still it doesn't seem to have issues with incompatablity (yet), and it definitely helps increase resistance to high pH (and the persistent problems that growers in FL will face with nutrient deficiencies).








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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2015, 02:24:33 PM »
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here is the grafted Myrciaria duba, on M. vexator rootstock as of today.

it was grafted a little over a year ago.

it's actually growing a little faster than I thought...pushing out some new growth now.





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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2015, 10:13:07 AM »
Hello Adam, can you give me a top 3 list of varieties of Jab to use for rootstock for each of these three conditions: 1) adaptability to high pH soils 2) plant vigor 3) early fruiting?

I'm wondering if there's anything you recommend besides Sabara and the Hybrid? Perhaps Vexator?
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #83 on: October 13, 2015, 10:45:21 AM »
Hello Adam, can you give me a top 3 list of varieties of Jab to use for rootstock for each of these three conditions: 1) adaptability to high pH soils 2) plant vigor 3) early fruiting?

I'm wondering if there's anything you recommend besides Sabara and the Hybrid? Perhaps Vexator?
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i don't know of a variety that induces early fruition when used as rootstock

Sabara has been my go to choice (for most of the species with similar bark, and fruiting habit)...it is adaptable, and vigorous.

I have not experimented with the other species as much, simply because they are too valuable a seedlings, instead of rootstocks.

Grimal must be a good choice for certain applications, being that it seems highly tolerant of city water, heat, and drought....but i never employ it as a rootstock, because there is such demand for the seedlings...and it's almost a sin to topwork such an amazing tree, thus inhibiting it's ability fruit.

I have not experimented with vexator, but i think you will run into compatibility issues...only a handful of species are a decent match.

I have not used the red either, being that it produces more suckers than Lukas R. Weisgram  ;D
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« Reply #84 on: October 13, 2015, 01:27:26 PM »
Thanks Adam, I'll stick with the Sabara rootstock for now. I'll keep everyone updated on the experiments.

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« Reply #85 on: October 13, 2015, 03:19:02 PM »
it would be really wonderful if M. vexator turns out to be a decent rootstock for M. dubia.  So far the results seem promising.

I can just imagine the first commercial grove of Camu camu in the USA.  Homestead has the right temperature in the winter, but has the wrong soil biology, and pH for growing Camu camu (need acid pH).  The Blue jaboticaba (M. vexator), which thrives in Homestead's soil, could be the solution for this problem, and the key that unlocks a new profitable crop.
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« Reply #86 on: October 13, 2015, 03:33:34 PM »
Thanks Adam, I'll stick with the Sabara rootstock for now. I'll keep everyone updated on the experiments.

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Simon,

don't let me discourage you from experimenting with some of these unconventional combinations.  Some of my statements (assumptions) about graft compatibility are probably inaccurate.

I didn't think Plinia edulis could be grafted onto M. jaboticaba, but recently there was a member who posted pics that look legit, of such a graft.  I've tried this graft at least a dozen times, and have failed every time.  However, I was able to graft Cambuca onto M. trunciflora.  (and I have grafted cambuca onto cambuca)

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #87 on: October 13, 2015, 03:41:16 PM »
Excuse me for participating in the conversation, but I have a doubt:

What is the difference between Myrciaria Glazoviana and Myrciaria Glomerata?

Would not be synonyms?
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #88 on: October 13, 2015, 03:41:37 PM »
it would be really wonderful if M. vexator turns out to be a decent rootstock for M. dubia.  So far the results seem promising.

I can just imagine the first commercial grove of Camu camu in the USA.  Homestead has the right temperature in the winter, but has the wrong soil biology, and pH for growing Camu camu (need acid pH).  The Blue jaboticaba (M. vexator), which thrives in Homestead's soil, could be the solution for this problem, and the key that unlocks a new profitable crop.
I used pure swamp mud for one of my camu with a ph of 5 and with added nitrogen it makes a perfect soil mix, their growing great and they have withstood that past 2 years here uncovered, especially in the swamp where it blocks wind and stays warm, so i wouldnt doubt if we have the potential here in central florida.

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« Reply #89 on: October 13, 2015, 04:52:25 PM »
Excuse me for participating in the conversation, but I have a doubt:

What is the difference between Myrciaria Glazoviana and Myrciaria Glomerata?

Would not be synonyms?


two entirely different species that have been the subjects of a taxonomic travesty.

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« Reply #90 on: October 13, 2015, 05:01:21 PM »
it would be really wonderful if M. vexator turns out to be a decent rootstock for M. dubia.  So far the results seem promising.

I can just imagine the first commercial grove of Camu camu in the USA.  Homestead has the right temperature in the winter, but has the wrong soil biology, and pH for growing Camu camu (need acid pH).  The Blue jaboticaba (M. vexator), which thrives in Homestead's soil, could be the solution for this problem, and the key that unlocks a new profitable crop.
I used pure swamp mud for one of my camu with a ph of 5 and with added nitrogen it makes a perfect soil mix, their growing great and they have withstood that past 2 years here uncovered, especially in the swamp where it blocks wind and stays warm, so i wouldnt doubt if we have the potential here in central florida.

the big problem here in Central FL will be the winter cold.

this is one of the most cold sensitive species of Myrciaria, all it would take is one bad winter, with a few nights below 28-30F, and the trees would be critically injured, or killed.

it takes so long to get them established, it would be a real kick in the nuts to have a grove that froze over.  It could be done, but you'd almost have to keep them in pots, and in a greenhouse...or have some way to protect them when it freezes.
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Re: Learn how to graft Myrciaria (jaboticabas) here, free instructional video
« Reply #91 on: November 01, 2015, 12:54:48 PM »
some fall grafted trees, almost ready to sell...maybe in 30-40 days...I should have made a larger batch!

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« Reply #92 on: November 28, 2015, 07:09:20 PM »
I'm getting reports of cambuca being compatible with sabara!

I have to try this graft again...maybe I can get it to work?

I wonder why I've had so many failures?
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« Reply #93 on: November 28, 2015, 07:28:09 PM »
some fall grafted trees, almost ready to sell...maybe in 30-40 days...I should have made a larger batch!

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« Reply #94 on: November 28, 2015, 11:44:53 PM »
Dang! those are some nice looking trees!
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« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2015, 07:31:36 AM »
Put me down for one, and hopefully some other Myrciaria grafts.
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« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2015, 03:32:40 PM »
Put me down for one, and hopefully some other Myrciaria grafts.

they are ready for pick up now, but are just a bit too fragile to ship...maybe ready to ship in another 20-30 days.

have just a few aureana and Grimal...in one gal pots.

if all goes well, I should have a few grafted coronata var. Restinga trees ready soon (but scion wood is not mature, so trees will still take a while to fruit)
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« Reply #97 on: December 12, 2015, 01:34:40 AM »
Great video.  I'm trying to graft my atemoya on cherimoya seedlings. I know it might not be the right time but I'm experimenting. Hope I'll get better or luck.  Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #98 on: December 12, 2015, 04:00:27 AM »
Hey Adam,
This blonde German girl with the YouTube channel 'Julie's Jungle" has mentioned FFF in a few of her videos... I think she might like you  ::)
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« Reply #99 on: December 12, 2015, 10:59:49 AM »
Hey Adam,
This blonde German girl with the YouTube channel 'Julie's Jungle" has mentioned FFF in a few of her videos... I think she might like you  ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMs8LUykAlg
https://youtu.be/pGbM5pv0akU?t=5m37s

Thanks for the link!

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