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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2014, 10:57:59 AM »
:-) I actually already have a PC planted out. I don't know if PC is productive, but I want to see how it performs for myself vs relying on rumors. If I had a smaller lot, then I might pay more attention to rumors to ensure I get consistent crops.

Here's what I have so far on the list:

1 - Chintalala (salvadoran mamey sapote mutation)
2 - Mammea Americana
     + Jinotepe 1 (this has already flowered for me in a 25 gal pot!)
     + A special salvadoran selection that bears 2wice a year
2 - Jocote (hog's plum)
     + A salvadoran selection known as "Azucaron"
     + A big yellow sweet florida selection, not sure of name
1 - Pace mamey sapote
1 - Cogshall
1 - Sweet Tart
2 - Lemon Zest (for a total of 4!)
1 - COC mango (I really like this mango)
1 - Kent
1 - Coconut Cream
1 - Dot mango (this tree does extremely well despite the fungus naysayers)
1 - White cuban mango (pretty darn good and very productive)
2 - Jackfruit
     + Seedling selection from fruit and spice park with giant crunchy carpels and a nice lemony flavor
     + Undecided on the 2nd one
3 - Sapodilla
     + Silas woods (this tree is INSANELY productive and quite delicious)
     + Hasya
     + Morena
3 - Avocado
     + Oro Negro
     + Still deciding on the other 2
1 - Caimito (giant purple one from PIN -- best one I've had to date)
2 - Atemoya
     + Gefner
     + 4826
3 - Sugar apple
     + Thai lesard
     + vietnamese easy peel
     + Purple
2 - Longan
     + Kohala
     + Vietnamese selection known as "cow's skin"

I guess that's only 31. There are some trees I'm forgetting a couple :-).

PS -- My mammea americana 'Jinotepe 1' that I grafted from a tree that sheehan brought me has flowered in a 25 gal pot at a mere 3 or so years old!
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2014, 11:04:03 AM »
As for the spacing, I'm doing 14 feet between the trees in each row and 14 feet between rows but with a stagger (ie, trees in alternating are between the trees in adjacent rows) so that the spacing between the trees across rows is actually about 15.5 feet.
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2014, 11:04:11 AM »
Jeff - I wojld reconsider the Kent.  Has too many issues and not that good IMO.  I REALLY like the Coc also.

For your second jackfruit,  consider Red Morning for taste/quality or Mai 1 for quality and super productivity.
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2014, 11:11:30 AM »
Thanks, Rob. Yah, I'm not planting the Kent for myself. My wife likes it cause it's big and bears late. We are nixing both of our keitts due to extreme fungal issues, so we're going to try the kent as a replacement.

I think I'll actually do 2 COC mangoes instead of just one (that was one of my favorite mangoes this year, up there with LZ / Sweet Tart).

And, per your PM message, I'll do an Edgar; that's a great mango.

Mai 1 sounds like a good idea actually.
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2014, 12:54:06 PM »
Jeff - I would reconsider the Kent.  Has too many issues and not that good IMO.  I REALLY like the Coc also .


We all know you do Rob.

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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2014, 12:55:31 PM »
Jeff, is the mamey sapote hybrid from El Salvador sold here locally? That really got my attention.  :)
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2014, 03:05:27 PM »
I agree on edgar and Coc--both quality mangos!
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2014, 03:34:51 PM »
I agree on edgar and Coc--both quality mangos!

So is Edgar named after Edgar Allen Poe? Or a Zill uncle or first cousin? Spill the beans bsbullie! I had just one and it was excellent!

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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2014, 04:06:35 PM »
I agree on edgar and Coc--both quality mangos!

So is Edgar named after Edgar Allen Poe? Or a Zill uncle or first cousin? Spill the beans bsbullie! I had just one and it was excellent!

Parentage is Edward x Gary
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2014, 04:21:11 PM »


Parentage is Edward x Gary

Thanks! So Edgar is an Edward x Gary cross

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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2014, 06:25:00 PM »
1 - Chintalala (salvadoran mamey sapote mutation)

Story? Any infos? Pics?

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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2014, 08:58:07 PM »
Chintalala is a mutation of a mamey sapote (I forget which cultivar). The fruits are small, about the size of a small canistel, but packed with flavor. The tree produces twice a year, in spring and fall. As with other mutations (eg, the variegated guavaa), some branches revert back to the non-mutated version.

The fruit is only known in El Salvador as far as I know, and even in El Salvador it's not widely known. It was one of the best tasting mameys that I've had. I brought back budwood and grafted to a green sapote rootstock that I happened to have laying around. All grafts took and are doing quite well :-). In a few years I should have some chintalala fruits :-). I'm curious to see if it performs the same here in FL.
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2014, 09:26:12 PM »
Chintalala is a mutation of a mamey sapote (I forget which cultivar). The fruits are small, about the size of a small canistel, but packed with flavor. The tree produces twice a year, in spring and fall. As with other mutations (eg, the variegated guavaa), some branches revert back to the non-mutated version.

The fruit is only known in El Salvador as far as I know, and even in El Salvador it's not widely known. It was one of the best tasting mameys that I've had. I brought back budwood and grafted to a green sapote rootstock that I happened to have laying around. All grafts took and are doing quite well :-). In a few years I should have some chintalala fruits :-). I'm curious to see if it performs the same here in FL.


Does the tree look identical to mamey sapote or are there any differences besides bearing habit and fruit size? This sounds like  a winner, especially for impatient people like me. lol Hope it does well here in south Florida.  8)
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2014, 11:12:29 PM »
Totally identical to mamey sapote. Only difference is that the fruit are ripe after only growing for a few months.
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2014, 11:25:53 PM »
Totally identical to mamey sapote. Only difference is that the fruit are ripe after only growing for a few months.

 :o  Nice!
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2014, 05:55:51 AM »
Jeff,

If you graft any more trees of your chintalala let me know I want one!

Have you tasted the nishikawa avocado?  It's supposed to have a very creamy fruit.

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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2014, 08:03:14 AM »
Does "COC" mean anything, as in "COC mango?"
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2014, 08:05:15 AM »
Does "COC" mean anything, as in "COC mango?"

Coc is Coc msngo, a Vietnamese mango.
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2014, 02:54:12 PM »

Thanks, Carlos. One question: where do I find a utuado for sale?
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2014, 04:23:21 PM »
Jeff and pics of the Hagen Grove ? ;)....

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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2018, 03:00:49 PM »
Chintalala is a mutation of a mamey sapote (I forget which cultivar). The fruits are small, about the size of a small canistel, but packed with flavor. The tree produces twice a year, in spring and fall. As with other mutations (eg, the variegated guavaa), some branches revert back to the non-mutated version.

The fruit is only known in El Salvador as far as I know, and even in El Salvador it's not widely known. It was one of the best tasting mameys that I've had. I brought back budwood and grafted to a green sapote rootstock that I happened to have laying around. All grafts took and are doing quite well :-). In a few years I should have some chintalala fruits :-). I'm curious to see if it performs the same here in FL.



Jeff I know this is old but did your Chintalala ever fruit? and if so was/is it the same?
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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2018, 07:24:22 PM »

I'm replacing a good portion of that nasty lime rock with real soil. Having a guy with heavy machinery coming in a few days.


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Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2018, 07:25:59 PM »
I would consider bacon and Lula avocados. Bacon is extremely similar to haas and other lesser known mexican varieties in taste and appearance. Lula is one of my favorites because it has a noticeable sweetness to it that complements the oily avocado flavor quite well, plus it separates from the skin almost perfectly.  But Oro is still my favorite by far, so great choice imo.

As far as the mammea Americana, please update us on your progress if you donít mind. That is one tree that Iím EXTREMELEY excited about on our property. Fairly uncommon tree, as well as fruit.
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