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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #150 on: August 03, 2018, 11:27:22 AM »
Buttercream had a seed that looked like it could be mono or polyembryonic and it just sprouted. It appears it could be Polyembryonic since I got two sprouts. I just have to verify if they are from different segments and have two different sets of roots. I donít want to disturb it now so Iím just going to let it grow.



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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #151 on: August 10, 2018, 03:51:32 PM »
Truly Tropical has Honey Kiss listed an Mono...  Are they wrong?

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #152 on: August 10, 2018, 04:00:20 PM »
Simon, can you post pic of E4 sprout and leaves? I got one that sprouted but its weird looking. its very different than other mangoes it has tall trunk, no leaves yet. tiny green on very top that looks like want to grow leaves. only one sprout.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #153 on: August 10, 2018, 05:15:37 PM »
Hereís a few different E4 sprouts. They all look normal to me so far. The only one that looks weird is from the seed that looked Polyembryonic. It was all twisty like Coconut Cream seedlings and it browned back. I expect to see some new growth on it soon.







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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #154 on: August 10, 2018, 05:17:10 PM »
Buttercream definitely Polyembryonic, at least this one I got


I also confirmed Honeykiss is Polyembryonic

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #155 on: August 10, 2018, 05:20:35 PM »
Hereís a few different E4 sprouts. They all look normal to me so far. The only one that looks weird is from the seed that looked Polyembryonic. It was all twisty like Coconut Cream seedlings and it browned back. I expect to see some new growth on it soon.







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so you did not get 2nd sprout on any E4? I got solo sprout too.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #156 on: August 10, 2018, 05:51:27 PM »
HK is poly.
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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #157 on: August 10, 2018, 06:27:57 PM »
Is 0-15 mono?

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #158 on: August 10, 2018, 07:03:04 PM »
Hereís a few different E4 sprouts. They all look normal to me so far. The only one that looks weird is from the seed that looked Polyembryonic. It was all twisty like Coconut Cream seedlings and it browned back. I expect to see some new growth on it soon.







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so you did not get 2nd sprout on any E4? I got solo sprout too.

Behl, in the third picture, you can sorta see that two sprouts came up from the E4 but got sunburnt. Hopefully two more sprouts will shoot up. So far all other E4s are mono
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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #159 on: August 11, 2018, 01:18:59 PM »
Not quite a mango, but when transferring a pitangatuba sprout to a bigger pot, I noticed two tap roots coming out of the seed and the start of the second sprout. Way too difficult to separate, so for now they grow together:



Back to polyembryonic mangoes . . .
I got three sprouts out of a NDM seed. When I went to separate them, discovered these two were connected to the same single tap root:



Together they shall grow.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #160 on: August 11, 2018, 08:51:18 PM »
Remember the possibility of twins and triplets from sexual reproduction;  so an occasional occurrance of more than one plant from seeds of a variety that normally seems to be monoembryonic are not necessarily proof of polyembryony, even though the latter tends to be our first guess.
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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #161 on: August 15, 2018, 07:18:24 PM »
Hereís an E4 seedling that looked like it was Monoembryonic but it ended up popping two sprouts. I gently tugged on the bigger sprout and the little one didnít move. Thereís a good chance itís actually Polyembryonic. You can see the neck of the second sprout just starting to straighten up out of the soil.





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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #162 on: August 15, 2018, 11:35:50 PM »
Remember the possibility of twins and triplets from sexual reproduction;  so an occasional occurrance of more than one plant from seeds of a variety that normally seems to be monoembryonic are not necessarily proof of polyembryony, even though the latter tends to be our first guess.

That's wild I haven't even thought of that! Are most "twins" identical?

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #163 on: August 16, 2018, 12:55:43 PM »
If they come from the same embryo and thus share the same root, it is identical. I often get Kentís with multiple sprouts but if you trace back the sprouts, they all have a common origin and a single root.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #164 on: August 16, 2018, 12:57:10 PM »
The tip of the smaller E4 seedling straightened out this morning.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #165 on: August 16, 2018, 02:13:26 PM »
I got only one sprout from E4 and Butter cream, although the seeds appeared to be poly.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #166 on: August 16, 2018, 03:07:48 PM »
Sometimes the other sprouts come out at different times.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #167 on: August 19, 2018, 12:04:04 AM »
M4 is Polyembryonic






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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #168 on: August 19, 2018, 12:15:04 AM »
M4 is Polyembryonic






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I had the same conclusion today for M-4.
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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #169 on: August 19, 2018, 03:44:50 AM »
Buttercream & venus seems to be mono.

M4 is poly.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #170 on: August 19, 2018, 08:18:39 AM »
I got two sprouts from Buttercream.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #171 on: August 19, 2018, 11:12:51 PM »
I'm comprising a list of the newer zill [propagated] varieties and their parentage and mono/poly....got a lot of blanks for mono/poly determination. This is what I have so far.   I am trying to base these on physical inspection of seeds (a few...more than one).


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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #172 on: August 19, 2018, 11:37:26 PM »
Guava and Providence are not a Gary Zill/ZHPP creation.  Providence is from Walter Zill and most likely a Kent seedling.  Guava was from a tree growing in West Palm Beach and was going to be destroyed by the County.  Walter took budwood snd saved the "variety".

Buttercream is 34-12.
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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #173 on: August 20, 2018, 11:08:21 AM »
The one Creme BrŻlťe seed we got appeared to be Monoembryonic.

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Re: New Zill mangoes -- The monoembryonic vs polyembryonic breakdown
« Reply #174 on: August 20, 2018, 11:12:21 AM »
The one Creme BrŻlťe seed we got appeared to be Monoembryonic.

Simon

My seed appeared to be poly with multiple embriyos, but only one sprouted thus far.

 

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