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Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« on: June 01, 2012, 12:56:43 PM »
I only have a few spots left in the yard, and would love to plant a Sapodilla.   Which one should I choose between these two?  I'd like one that is sweeter, have higher yield and less "sandy" in texture.

I live in SoCal & those are the only two varieties I've seen in nurseries around here... I wonder if there is a better variety out there than these two & where to order it.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2012, 02:01:28 PM by murahilin »

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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 01:10:01 PM »
I would go with a Hasya. Very smooth texture and not grainy. I have a tree that's been on the ground for 2 years and it started to flower within a few months and has never stop. I expect the fruit to hold this year.


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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2012, 01:11:01 PM »
I would go with a Hasya. Very smooth texture and not grainy. I have a tree that's been on the ground for 2 years and it started to flower within a few months and has never stop. I expect the fruit to hold this year.

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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 01:34:52 PM »
Depends where you live......if you are from SoFL there are tons of Nurseries around. If you are in the LA area than I would recommend Mimosa in East LA.

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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 01:46:30 PM »
When I came to the Mimosa in LA, they only have Manilkara.. The one in Anaheim only has Mamey.. Another family-owned nursery (they sell from their backyard!) only have Manilkara..

I have not seen any other varieties. 

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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 02:00:22 PM »
I only have a few spots left in the yard, and would love to plant a Sapodilla.   Which one should I choose between these two?  I'd like one that is sweeter, have higher yield and less "sandy" in texture.

I live in SoCal & those are the only two varieties I've seen in nurseries around here... I wonder if there is a better variety out there than these two & where to order it.

I think there is a misunderstanding regarding those labels. "Manilkara" is the genus that the sapodilla belongs to and not a type of sapodilla. The scientific name of sapodilla is Manilkara zapota.

I have never heard of "Mamey Sapodilla". Can someone else in CA verify that this is an actual cultivar and not just a mislabled Mamey Sapote?

In regards to your question for a better variety of sapodilla, I would have to agree with JF and recommend the Hasya. Even though I don't really like the taste of sapodilla myself, most people I know like the taste of the Hasya best compared to the other cultivars.

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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 04:08:06 PM »
I only have a few spots left in the yard, and would love to plant a Sapodilla.   Which one should I choose between these two?  I'd like one that is sweeter, have higher yield and less "sandy" in texture.

I live in SoCal & those are the only two varieties I've seen in nurseries around here... I wonder if there is a better variety out there than these two & where to order it.

I think there is a misunderstanding regarding those labels. "Manilkara" is the genus that the sapodilla belongs to and not a type of sapodilla. The scientific name of sapodilla is Manilkara zapota.

I have never heard of "Mamey Sapodilla". Can someone else in CA verify that this is an actual cultivar and not just a mislabled Mamey Sapote?

In regards to your question for a better variety of sapodilla, I would have to agree with JF and recommend the Hasya. Even though I don't really like the taste of sapodilla myself, most people I know like the taste of the Hasya best compared to the other cultivars.

Thanks for the clarification.   I'm very new at this.. and only go by what I see on the tags, or from speaking to the people working @ the nursery.  I thought those are two varieties of the same thing.

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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 05:04:13 PM »
I am in So Cal and I have Prolific in my yard, its been in ground for a little less than a year. I was told that Prolific performs just as its name suggests, and does well in So Cal. I got mine from Plantogram mail order.

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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 08:57:31 PM »
I have [Alano] this year from a friend's suggestion. I don't know much about it but it does grow well.

edited to insert cultivar name. It got lost the first time..
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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 09:42:17 PM »
If you can locate one, I'd recommend a Hasya  ;D
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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 10:45:33 PM »
I have an Alano in the ground for almost 3 years now and have had no problem adjusting to Cali. weather except that it's a slow grower.

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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 12:23:15 AM »
I only have a few spots left in the yard, and would love to plant a Sapodilla.   Which one should I choose between these two?  I'd like one that is sweeter, have higher yield and less "sandy" in texture.

I live in SoCal & those are the only two varieties I've seen in nurseries around here... I wonder if there is a better variety out there than these two & where to order it.

I think there is a misunderstanding regarding those labels. "Manilkara" is the genus that the sapodilla belongs to and not a type of sapodilla. The scientific name of sapodilla is Manilkara zapota.

I have never heard of "Mamey Sapodilla". Can someone else in CA verify that this is an actual cultivar and not just a mislabled Mamey Sapote?

In regards to your question for a better variety of sapodilla, I would have to agree with JF and recommend the Hasya. Even though I don't really like the taste of sapodilla myself, most people I know like the taste of the Hasya best compared to the other cultivars.
Shmuraeehan - I have had a couple of customers ask about mamey sapodilla when referring to sapodilla.  If my memory is correct, their ethnicity was from the Caribbean islands.

As far as recommendations, Hasya is excellent and Alano is a very consistent quality sap (at least in SFla).  I would stay away from Silas Woods mainly due to its small size (low flesh to seed/skin ratio).
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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2012, 02:29:05 AM »
Do you grow different varieties to extend the season to most of the year? I see one of the Online Library threads has sapodilla taste ratings with the fruting season for each

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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2012, 09:13:38 AM »
Shmuraeehan - I have had a couple of customers ask about mamey sapodilla when referring to sapodilla.  If my memory is correct, their ethnicity was from the Caribbean islands.

As far as recommendations, Hasya is excellent and Alano is a very consistent quality sap (at least in SFla).  I would stay away from Silas Woods mainly due to its small size (low flesh to seed/skin ratio).

That's interesting. I'm not sure if I've ever heard anyone ask about mamey sapodilla at the nursery. Do you know which Caribbean island they were from? In Trinidad for example they call the Mammea americana, Mamey sapote (pronounced 'see poat') but you said they were referring to sapodilla so I am not sure.

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Re: Manilkara vs Mamey Sapodilla?
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2012, 11:46:56 PM »
Shmuraeehan - I have had a couple of customers ask about mamey sapodilla when referring to sapodilla.  If my memory is correct, their ethnicity was from the Caribbean islands.

As far as recommendations, Hasya is excellent and Alano is a very consistent quality sap (at least in SFla).  I would stay away from Silas Woods mainly due to its small size (low flesh to seed/skin ratio).

That's interesting. I'm not sure if I've ever heard anyone ask about mamey sapodilla at the nursery. Do you know which Caribbean island they were from? In Trinidad for example they call the Mammea americana, Mamey sapote (pronounced 'see poat') but you said they were referring to sapodilla so I am not sure.
No, I don't know their origin and yes, I agree that it makes no sense.  I ask them if the mean the americana or even the mamee apple but both insisted it was a sap and they purchased a sap, so who knows...possibly just misinformed and weren't interested in learning??
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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2012, 02:49:37 PM »
I'm a REGULAR customer at Mimosa LA and they always have sapodilla available.....My last visit was about a week ago and they have at least 20 plants avail in 3gal...makok, alano, haysa, moreno and molix....with name tags
The sapodillas are hard to miss.......right behind the mamey/next to all the rarer tropicals.
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Maybe I wasn't there often enough... The last time I was there (about 3 mo or so ago) they didn't have any!!  Do you know how much they charged for their trees?

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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2012, 01:48:19 AM »
$60 for a sapodilla is really reasonable. I'll have to visit them soon. Haysa is one I don't have so I'll be looking for it since it's so highly regarded here.

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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2012, 11:02:08 PM »
Got mine for $40  ;)
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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2012, 12:48:06 PM »
I should add.....They list/want 85 for it....but sell to me for 60 since i bought so many trees from them.

Hi David

they are very small trees. I saw them 2 months ago on my last visit. $60-70 is a fair price for our area.

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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2012, 09:07:20 PM »
That's not too bad given 2-3years time. Is it grafted? Flowering?
Papaya tree has ones that size with multiple fruits, but much more expensive.

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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2012, 01:13:49 AM »
Hi Joe....  :)....

Sapo from mimosa.....



Dave

that's a nice one. the ones I ones I saw were about 2 feet with a very thin trunks. PTN's prices are ridiculous he would sell this one for $200.

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Re: Which Variety of Sapodilla for CA?
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2012, 01:48:15 AM »
Hi Joe....  :)....

Sapo from mimosa.....



Dave

that's a nice one. the ones I ones I saw were about 2 feet with a very thin trunks. PTN's prices are ridiculous he would sell this one for $200.


~$150 at Papaya tree, the one I mentioned earlier with 2 fruits already on it.

 

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