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Annona graft compatibility table
« on: July 03, 2015, 11:39:03 PM »
                 A. cherimolaA. squamosaA. x atemoyaA. diversifoliaA. glabraA. muricataA. reticulataA. purpureaA. montanaA. _______A. _________A. _________
A. cherimola
X
X
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A. squamosa
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X
A. x atemoya
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A. diversifolia
A. glabra
A. muricata
A. reticulata
A. purpurea
A. montana
A. _______
A. _______
A. _______
A. _______

This post was inspired by an old post of Ethan's: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=992.0

The table is a general guide, because as Har pointed out in the previous post, some varieties work while others don't within the same species. I am not sure how I can expand this table to include cultivars unless I make a separate table per species.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2015, 08:40:29 AM by murahilin »

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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2015, 11:54:02 AM »
i have atemoya on reticulata,

illama on reticulata

reticulata on cherimola

have done atemoya on pond apple

dioica on reticulata

cornifolia on atemoya

all of these worked well, but not sure about long term compatibility...they have lasted for over 1-2 yrs without any set backs, or detrimental anomalies.

I will try to think of more, but honestly, I don't like the table format.

I would rather see each species listed individually, with all of it's known compatible counterparts, including notes about each one if necessary.

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2015, 01:19:23 PM »
I found this and re-constructed it and was wondering about its accuracy.Note: ? is unknown compatibility

See updated image below
« Last Edit: July 17, 2015, 04:20:50 PM by gnappi »
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Re: Annona grafting compatibility chart
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2015, 01:33:56 PM »
A diversifolia onto cherimolla YES...chermilla onto annona emarginata YES...thanx by the table :) . If anybodi grafted annonas please upload step by step how graft

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Re: Annona grafting compatibility chart
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2015, 01:37:35 PM »
A diversifolia onto cherimolla YES...chermilla onto annona emarginata YES...thanx by the table :) . If anybodi grafted annonas please upload step by step how graft

If anyone can add or delete from experience, I'll modify and update the gif, and if anyone wants the excel file PM me and I'll send it to you
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Re: Annona grafting compatibility chart
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2015, 01:46:07 PM »
cherimoya and guanabana onto a.montana.........................bribiba (annona mucusa) onto a.glabra...data from a tropicals fruit book


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Re: Annona grafting compatibility chart
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2015, 02:08:04 PM »
I guess some dis-ambiguity is in order: I always get confused with common and the scientific names


« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 09:20:38 PM by gnappi »
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Re: Annona grafting compatibility chart
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2015, 04:23:23 PM »
Gary,
Annona cherimola onto Annona muricata works like a charm.  Please change it to a "yes".
I have an Annona cherimola grafted onto an Annona muricata that is growing like a weed. The tree was grafted a couple years ago, and is flowering as I type this post.
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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2015, 04:38:34 PM »
as an experienced grafter of Annonas (and tropical fruit trees in general), I don't believe a chart formatted like this will suffice.

it's too linear...the chart needs to be more 3 dimensional.

each species needs it's own write up (or section), with each of it's graft compatible counterparts having a write up as well.
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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2015, 04:46:33 PM »
Grafting compatibility is also about the level of compatibility and I suppose a yes is being over a threshold.I don't know how much of a problem delayed incompatability is in Annona. Pond apple is now a weed here but originally was used as rootstock for atemoya and even sugar apples before being rejected as a poor and non commercial option.My ilamas (thanks Sheehan) look pretty similar to sugar apples and I bet they are compatible.

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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2015, 06:54:24 PM »
ANON DE RIO (Annona glabra)
Use as rootstock to atemoya, guanabana (a.muricata) and mamon (Annona reticulata)


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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2015, 07:50:45 PM »
as an experienced grafter of Annonas (and tropical fruit trees in general), I don't believe a chart formatted like this will suffice.

it's too linear...the chart needs to be more 3 dimensional.

each species needs it's own write up (or section), with each of it's graft compatible counterparts having a write up as well.

Well if I were a moderator I could gen up popup java scrip links but I'm not. As it is, it is what it is unless I can get guidance from you guys how to work in a 2d environment and make it work
« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 09:16:15 PM by gnappi »
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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2015, 03:29:58 PM »
Here...12 days agos i tried A.montana on A. muricata ...Today looks Healthy





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Re: Annona grafting compatibility chart
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2015, 03:33:03 PM »
Gary,
Annona cherimola onto Annona muricata works like a charm.  Please change it to a "yes".
I have an Annona cherimola grafted onto an Annona muricata that is growing like a weed. The tree was grafted a couple years ago, and is flowering as I type this post.

That is great to know, Berto! So this means that Muricata will work on cherimoya roots as well?  If so, I am definitely going to try that!

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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2015, 09:12:43 PM »
I have a couple of A. cornifolia on cherimoya fruiting now.

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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2015, 09:29:54 PM »
I have a couple of A. cornifolia on cherimoya fruiting now.

Mark

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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2015, 05:30:59 AM »
I have a couple of A. cornifolia on cherimoya fruiting now.

Mark


Do you have pics? It would be great to see the fruit. Take us through the season if you can!

Here is one of the Cornifolia on Cherimoya.










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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2015, 09:57:07 AM »
Mark, I was curious what the flower and leaves looked like. Thanks!
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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2015, 01:34:09 PM »
Bob407
that grafted A. dioica on A. reticulata you made is growing like a weed now...over 6ft tall, and has a fruit set on it.

it's hard to tell what's going on with the fruit set....I have about 4 or 5 fruits set (between 3 trees...2 seedlings, one grafted).....and once they set, they seem to sit there...even though they're green...they barely fill out.

It's a total tease...

hoping the grafted tree you made will produce a fruit...it looks like the single fruit that set on it, is filling out more than the fruits that set on my seedling trees (from whence your scion came)
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2015, 04:12:51 PM »
Adam,

Everything I grafted on those particular reticulata seeds took well and all have been vigorous. I need to get some more seeds of that type.
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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2015, 08:39:36 PM »
I have seen I have seen Annona diversifolia 'Guillermo' and Annona diversifolia 'Pajapita' grow and produce very well for some 20 years and more, grafted onto Annona glabra "North".

I have two Rollinia deliciosa (Annona mucosa) grafted onto Guanabanus montanus (Annona montana), that have been fruiting twice a year for 20 years.
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2015, 08:47:07 PM »
I have seen I have seen Annona diversifolia 'Guillermo' and Annona diversifolia 'Pajapita' grow and produce very well for some 20 years and more, grafted onto Annona glabra "North".

I have two Rollinia deliciosa (Annona mucosa) grafted onto Guanabanus montanus (Annona montana), that have been fruiting twice a year for 20 years.


Mountain soursop is a good root stock for rollinia?  I am going to have to order some seeds, I have  a nice sized rollinia I grew from seed, but always noted that rollinia don't seem to have a very vigorous root system

Does soursop graft onto cherimoya root stock? how about soursop onto  mountain soursop roots?

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2015, 09:06:02 PM »
soursop and montana works very well they are close parients. but dont so with rollinia...rollinia works well qith rollinia.....soursop can be grafting on cherimoya like rootstock...cherimoya is te better rootstock in the family.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2015, 10:54:21 PM »
soursop and montana works very well they are close parients. but dont so with rollinia...rollinia works well qith rollinia.....soursop can be grafting on cherimoya like rootstock...cherimoya is te better rootstock in the family.

Thank you much for the info! :) I have a friend with a sweet soursop, she said very good quality, I am going to ask her to send me some scions, I have a lot of cherimoya trees to work with, I just didn't know if soursop would take to cherimyoa roots   :)

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2015, 11:10:53 PM »
soursop and montana works very well they are close parients. but dont so with rollinia...rollinia works well qith rollinia.....soursop can be grafting on cherimoya like rootstock...cherimoya is te better rootstock in the family.

Thank you much for the info! :) I have a friend with a sweet soursop, she said very good quality, I am going to ask her to send me some scions, I have a lot of cherimoya trees to work with, I just didn't know if soursop would take to cherimyoa roots   :)

I like to see that graft...the only one I've heard who had any success with soursop onto cherimoya is Ethan. We've had many failures here.

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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2015, 11:40:02 PM »
i think Berto might have done this graft as well...

soursop and montana works very well they are close parients. but dont so with rollinia...rollinia works well qith rollinia.....soursop can be grafting on cherimoya like rootstock...cherimoya is te better rootstock in the family.

Thank you much for the info! :) I have a friend with a sweet soursop, she said very good quality, I am going to ask her to send me some scions, I have a lot of cherimoya trees to work with, I just didn't know if soursop would take to cherimyoa roots   :)

I like to see that graft...the only one I've heard who had any success with soursop onto cherimoya is Ethan. We've had many failures here.
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2015, 11:41:35 PM »
soursop and montana works very well they are close parients. but dont so with rollinia...rollinia works well qith rollinia.....soursop can be grafting on cherimoya like rootstock...cherimoya is te better rootstock in the family.

Thank you much for the info! :) I have a friend with a sweet soursop, she said very good quality, I am going to ask her to send me some scions, I have a lot of cherimoya trees to work with, I just didn't know if soursop would take to cherimyoa roots   :)

I like to see that graft...the only one I've heard who had any success with soursop onto cherimoya is Ethan. We've had many failures here.

I can do it,  I know I can. I've already grafted sugar apple and custard apple onto cherimoya (my seed grown sugar apple has set some fruit here in norcal, and I leave it out during winter) 

Even if I can't successfully do it, you can bet that I am sure gonna try.. lol  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2015, 01:11:46 AM »
i think Berto might have done this graft as well...

soursop and montana works very well they are close parients. but dont so with rollinia...rollinia works well qith rollinia.....soursop can be grafting on cherimoya like rootstock...cherimoya is te better rootstock in the family.

Thank you much for the info! :) I have a friend with a sweet soursop, she said very good quality, I am going to ask her to send me some scions, I have a lot of cherimoya trees to work with, I just didn't know if soursop would take to cherimyoa roots   :)

I like to see that graft...the only one I've heard who had any success with soursop onto cherimoya is Ethan. We've had many failures here.

I am going to try green on green, as Ethan recommended, both my rootstock and Cuban fiberless a flushing

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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2015, 01:15:57 AM »
i think Berto might have done this graft as well...

soursop and montana works very well they are close parients. but dont so with rollinia...rollinia works well qith rollinia.....soursop can be grafting on cherimoya like rootstock...cherimoya is te better rootstock in the family.

Thank you much for the info! :) I have a friend with a sweet soursop, she said very good quality, I am going to ask her to send me some scions, I have a lot of cherimoya trees to work with, I just didn't know if soursop would take to cherimyoa roots   :)

I like to see that graft...the only one I've heard who had any success with soursop onto cherimoya is Ethan. We've had many failures here.

I am going to try green on green, as Ethan recommended, both my rootstock and Cuban fiberless a flushing

I will try that too, when I source the scionwood.

I want to push the limit further, and see if I can grow soursop in norcal!  I think it can be done! In my micro climate at least.

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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2015, 08:33:24 PM »
ANybody knows is it possible grafting Rollinia Rugulosa onto cherimoya?

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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2016, 12:30:13 AM »
Anyone have any updates on Rollinia on Cherimoya or Atemoya rootstock?  Did it work?  Were there any long term compatibility issues?

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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2016, 03:13:31 AM »
Anyone have any updates on Rollinia on Cherimoya or Atemoya rootstock?  Did it work?  Were there any long term compatibility issues?
Barath,

I have a pretty large rollinia on cherimoya, it had a few flowers a few weeks ago but aborted them. The tree is about 6 feet, the graft looks good still, but the growth of the rollinia is not flushing that well.

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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2016, 11:19:34 AM »
Pawpaw (Wells) on cherimoya (honeyhart seedling) took. The scion grew one leaf and the rootstock is way more vigorous.
I didn't prune away the rootstock growth completely which I will do. I only controlled rootstock growth by pinching anything that's taller than the scion. That's not enough now.

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« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2016, 11:41:43 AM »
Anyone have any updates on Rollinia on Cherimoya or Atemoya rootstock?  Did it work?  Were there any long term compatibility issues?
Barath,

I have a pretty large rollinia on cherimoya, it had a few flowers a few weeks ago but aborted them. The tree is about 6 feet, the graft looks good still, but the growth of the rollinia is not flushing that well.

Wow, great that it's grown so well, even if it's not ideal.  Does rollinia on cherimoya rootstock seem to need less water than on its own rootstock?  (Everyone seems to say that rollinia generally likes a lot of water.)

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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2016, 07:53:14 PM »
i successfully grafted dream fruit (whatever it is classified as) on to my soursop. i grafted green on green with success. the green scion i grafted on a hardened branch failed.

i am also trying rollinia, but no signs of it taking yet.

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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2016, 09:44:25 PM »
47-18 on A. glabra



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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2016, 09:59:49 PM »
Dream on A. glabra

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« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2016, 12:52:07 PM »
Hi Bob I have some great A. Ret. seeds here are two Duguetia Uniflora on A. Ret. rootstock and growing faster than the Duguetia Tree I got the scions from. I'm currently trying, Guanabana and Rollinia on A. Reticulata rootstock, will see if it compatibility works.
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Re: Annona graft compatibility table
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2016, 04:10:13 PM »
Hi, nice topic.

I have a very nice annona montana, 1.3 m tall planted at the garden and I would like to know if it would have any sense to graft a guabanana (a. muricata) over her... at our backyard we almost have no frosts... but I know a. muricata suffers a lot when temps go down to -5º C and the wind let it without leaves...
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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2016, 10:19:48 PM »
Windbreaks protect Soursop.

Grafting high on Mountain-Soursop might work to protect from low frosts, but not likely to protect from wind damage.
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2016, 09:26:50 AM »
Hi Bob I have some great A. Ret. seeds here are two Duguetia Uniflora on A. Ret. rootstock and growing faster than the Duguetia Tree I got the scions from. I'm currently trying, Guanabana and Rollinia on A. Reticulata rootstock, will see if it compatibility works.
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