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Compact Mango Suggestions
« on: August 31, 2015, 01:16:40 PM »
I wanted to try to compile a list of mangoes with the following characteristics:

  • Compact / Natural 'dwarf' (i.e. does not have to be in a container to be dwarfed)
  • Bushy and/or spreading style growing habit
  • Good producer
  • Needs relatively minor pruning to keep size in check which will not adversely affect productivity
  • Quality fruit (full flavor, fiberless, etc.)

I hesitate to say good flavor / taste, because this is very subjective. But I think the aspects that make a fruit high quality are perhaps a little more objective.

After looking through the forum, here is a list that I have compiled that meets the above criteria. Please add to the list (or dispute what I have compiled based on my misunderstandings). Please note that I have no experience with these varieties, I am trying to compile this list based on the experience of others.

Cultivar list in alphabetical order (Click on Cultivar Name for a detailed description of tree characteristics from forum members observations)
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- Alampur baneshan (nominated by Squam256, Mark in Texas)
- Amrapali
- Angie (nominated by Squam256, johnb51)
- Baptiste (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Carrie (nominated by mangokothiyan, many noted flavor objections, zands notes that not quite as compact, med/fast grower)
- Cogshall (nominated by Mark in Texas)
- Cotton Candy (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Duncan (nominated by y0rascal, Guanabanus)
- Dwarf Hawaiian (nominated by mangokothiyan)
- Edgar (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Fairchild (nominated by WGphil, zands, bsbullie)
- Florigon (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Honey Kiss (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Imam Passand (nominated by Squam256)
- Jehangir (nominated by Squam256)
- Julie (nominated by TnTrobbie, zands)
- Leo#2 (nominated by JF)
- Mahachanok (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Manilita (nominated by sunworshiper)
- Nam Doc Mai #4 (nominated by wslau, zands)
- Neelam (nominated by Squam256, many noted flavor objections)
- Peggy (nominated by JF)
- Pickering (nominated by mangokothiyan, johnb51, zands, Mark in Texas, JF)
- Pina Colada (nominated by zands, bsbullie)
- Providence (nominated by bsbullie)
- Rapoza (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Rosa (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Rosigold (nominated by skhan)
- Rudiett (nominated by JF)
- Son Pari (nominated by Guanabanus)
- Thomson (nominated by JF)
- Tomato (nominated by JF)
- Venus (nominated by Squam256, Guanabanus)
- Villa Seņor (nominated by JF)
- White Pari (nominated by Guanabanus)

NOT a compact mango but receives honorable mention for being easily maintained at compact mango heights:
- Mallika (?, upright vigorous grower and not compact, but easily trained. Mallika has received several honorable mentions. But also some possible detractions)

- Others (please add below in the comments)

A table of Cultivars, Ripening Time, and Flavor Notes based on the above list has been generated.
See these posts: PART 1 OF THE TABLE, PART 2 OF THE TABLE

« Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 10:46:31 AM by starch »
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2015, 01:55:56 PM »
Based on my limited experience i would add Rosigold to the list. Mine is about 8 feet tall and its growth is pretty compact.
Also, I thought Coconut Cream was supposed to be leggy and Beverly was low and spreading. I could be wrong though.
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2015, 02:05:20 PM »
I haven't seen a Thai Everbearing mango tree but I've heard that it's really dwarf, but from what's available, I'll have to recommend Julie. To me it fits all the qualities from a mango you're looking for. It may not be a top tier like Sweet Tart but on a normal day it's pretty darn good and yummy. No need to tip it for it to develop a "busy" shape and since you're in AZ, the drier conditions should discourage disease. My 9 yr old Julie tree is barely 8 ft tall without any height pruning. 100-150 mangoes per season for the past 4 years.

Another mango I'd recommend is Mallika. Though it's a vertical grower like Maha Chanok, it responds very nicely to tip pruning and doesn't develop "droopy" resultant shoots like Coconut Cream and Pickering. Juliette is another mango that responds very well to tip pruning as well but I have not had a crop from my 3yr old tree to determine production or fruit quality. Carrie trees I've seen on dwarfing root stock can be bushy and compact but the like/love or hate of the fruit seems to be split.

Go Julie. :)
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2015, 02:18:32 PM »
skhan,

Thanks, I added Rosigold to the list!

TnTrobbie

I'll have to recommend Julie. To me it fits all the qualities from a mango you're looking for. It may not be a top tier like Sweet Tart but on a normal day it's pretty darn good and yummy. No need to tip it for it to develop a "busy" shape and since you're in AZ, the drier conditions should discourage disease. My 9 yr old Julie tree is barely 8 ft tall without any height pruning. 100-150 mangoes per season for the past 4 years.

That sounds like a nearly perfect tree for this criteria. Thanks for the pitch! I definitely added it to the list above. Thanks!
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2015, 06:48:06 PM »
Would Ice Cream or Nam Doc Mai be candidates for the list?
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2015, 07:54:12 PM »
Ice Cream responds nicely to tipping but its a poor producer in my yard. 1st year in its 7 gal pot- 3 lemony goodness mangoes. 1st year in ground- 2 mangoes. 2nd and 3rd year in ground- nada :D. Not dwarf like Julie but gets bush and erect. It's 7 ft tall already.
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2015, 08:05:34 PM »
Ice Cream responds nicely to tipping but its a poor producer in my yard ... Not dwarf like Julie but gets bush and erect ....

Gotcha, good to know that it doesn't fit the criteria.

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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2015, 08:21:50 PM »
The Fairchild is from a hot, moist climate.  It grows great for me but I live in a hot, moist climate.  Great fruit if it fits. 

Might want to see how others near you are doing with these types in your climate 

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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2015, 08:31:01 PM »
The Fairchild is from a hot, moist climate.  It grows great for me but I live in a hot, moist climate.  Great fruit if it fits. 

Might want to see how others near you are doing with these types in your climate 

That is a good observation about the Fairchild. I have read that the Julie does well in arid climates, so that might be a really good fit for me, especially given TnTrobbie's description. I also have seen evidence that Carrie does really well in Phoenix. Thanks!
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2015, 09:26:08 PM »
Coconut cream should not be on this list

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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2015, 09:34:45 PM »
Coconut cream should not be on this list

Thanks Squam, I removed it from the list.

BTW, which criteria does it violate?
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2015, 10:07:54 PM »
Coconut cream should not be on this list

Thanks Squam, I removed it from the list.

BTW, which criteria does it violate?

It's not really a compact or "natural dwarf". It has a vigorous, spreading growth habit.

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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2015, 10:13:06 PM »

Coconut cream should not be on this list

Thanks Squam, I removed it from the list.

BTW, which criteria does it violate?

Coconut Cream is by no means compact. It is a vigorous grower and the jury is still out on its productivity. Pickering is the most compact of them all. Carrie has a spreading growth habit and is a good producer as well.  Julie tastes great but is not the most productive cultivar, at least in south florida.  I think one should add dwarf Hawaiian to this list. The one at Truly Tropical is a compact grower and very productive. The taste, in my opinion, is very good as well.



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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2015, 10:24:01 PM »
Some others that could be considered based in their growth habits:

Angie
Venus
Iman passand
Jehangir
Alampur baneshan
Neelam (if you like it)

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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2015, 11:27:07 PM »
Coconut Cream is by no means compact. It is a vigorous grower and the jury is still out on its productivity. Pickering is the most compact of them all. Carrie has a spreading growth habit and is a good producer as well.  Julie tastes great but is not the most productive cultivar, at least in south florida.  I think one should add dwarf Hawaiian to this list. The one at Truly Tropical is a compact grower and very productive. The taste, in my opinion, is very good as well.

Thanks for the info! And I added Dwarf Hawaiian to the list above.
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2015, 11:27:34 PM »
Some others that could be considered based in their growth habits:

Angie
Venus
Iman passand
Jehangir
Alampur baneshan
Neelam (if you like it)

Added to the list, thanks!
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2015, 05:19:31 AM »
Duncan needs to be added to the list also. It responds well to pruning and can be maintained  at 8 to 10 feet and is an outstanding producer.

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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2015, 05:52:03 AM »
Some others that could be considered based in their growth habits:

Angie
Venus
Iman passand
Jehangir
Alampur baneshan
Neelam (if you like it)

I was told iman passand/himmayudin was a large tree.   Are u serious???   If u are serious u made my day.  I love that mango and if u are firm in this opinion I'm going to try grow one in my terraces!

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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2015, 08:07:52 AM »
In my yard, at least, Beverly has not been a compact grower. It has grown large, with as much vigor as any I've grown.

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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2015, 08:36:52 AM »
In my yard, at least, Beverly has not been a compact grower. It has grown large, with as much vigor as any I've grown.

Thanks mangomadman, duly noted and removed from the list!
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2015, 08:39:17 AM »
Duncan needs to be added to the list also. It responds well to pruning and can be maintained  at 8 to 10 feet and is an outstanding producer.

Thanks y0rascal, it is added to the list!
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2015, 09:11:31 AM »
Starch,
You asked about NDM and I didn't see a response.  But I believe NDM#4 would make the list.
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2015, 09:30:04 AM »
Starch,
You asked about NDM and I didn't see a response.  But I believe NDM#4 would make the list.

wslau, Thanks for the feedback, I have added it to the list!
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2015, 09:36:03 AM »
My Neelam tree was very compact and slow-growing.  I say "was" because I just chopped it down.  It's really an awful tasting mango--absolutely the worst I've ever tasted!  It's an Indian mango, and there's a reason that it's not a well-regarded mango in India.  I don't know why anyone would want to grow it except for maybe plant breeding purposes.  My Pickering tree has behaved like a dwarf--in the ground almost 4 years and still only six feet tall.  (I love that tree!)  Angie and Mallika are both fairly compact.
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Re: Compact Mango Suggestions
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2015, 10:16:35 AM »
Here in SoCal

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Peggy
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Are compact slow growers.


 

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