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I've never seen a Tamarind here in Italy, can it be grown in Florida or California?
As I know it likes arid conditions, so California could be better than Florida....does someone grow it? how does it grow? does it flower and fruit? When?

The Tamarind should resist to cold at least until 32 F, but even less for short periods !!

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2015, 04:37:30 PM »
Yes Tamarind grows and fruits very easily in South Florida, I'm not sure about further north in Florida or in California.
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2015, 04:48:49 PM »
I have one on each of my two homes, one is 8 ft tall and the other one is 3 ft tall, both are blooming right now. Both were seedlings labeled "sweet" but I haven't tasted any fruit yet. I know another person who has bigger tree that is fruiting well. Yes, tamarind does well here in SWFL.

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2015, 05:03:20 PM »
Great...have you photos? It starts flowering at the end of the Summer in South Florida, or probably at the end of "Wet Season" ?? It should be interesting to know whet it flowers in hot mediterranea climate !!!
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2015, 05:14:43 PM »
Ok, this is the smaller tree, probably less than 4 foot tall.




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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2015, 05:24:04 PM »
Tamarind grows all over South Florida.  It has even used by developers as plantings.  Dont know why a comparison keeps being made from Italy and Florida...   ??? ::) ??? ::)
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2015, 05:31:14 PM »
Tamarind grows all over South Florida.  It has even used by developers as plantings.  Dont know why a comparison keeps being made from Italy and Florida...   ??? ::) ??? ::)

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2015, 05:38:33 PM »
Delvi, tamarind grows very well in Madeira, Portugal.

Flowering here starts early spring, and some times in Autumn.

Florida and California have completely different climates. Humid Subtropics vs Mediterranean type climate.   

California and Madeira have a very similar climate.
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2015, 05:50:45 PM »
I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2015, 06:15:38 PM »
I've never seen a Tamarind here in Italy, can it be grown in Florida or California?
As I know it likes arid conditions, so California could be better than Florida....does someone grow it? how does it grow? does it flower and fruit? When?

The Tamarind should resist to cold at least until 32 F, but even less for short periods !!

Thanks

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In Southern Portugal, tamarind grows slowly. It blooms and  sets fruits, but the fruits rot during the winter when the plant goes dormant.
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2015, 10:36:04 PM »
I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.
Are you saying a seedling tree flowered after 3 years in the ground? I always thought tamarind took a decade to flower - how old was your tree including before it was planted out? I'm asking because I have 3 seedling trees and I'd love to see a flower on one of them before 10 years from now! :)

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2015, 10:55:27 PM »
Yes they grow and fruit here. Here is a young seedling that's starting to flowering




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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2015, 12:12:17 AM »
I have a sweet tamarind tree that I planted about 6 years ago. Since that time, it's produced an amount of fruit that I could count with one hand.

This year though, or more exactly, right now, the tree is full of fruit and flowers, all at the same time. Which, I find very exciting. And, I hope that this fruit production will be a regular, yearly occurrence.

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2015, 02:24:19 AM »
I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.
Are you saying a seedling tree flowered after 3 years in the ground? I always thought tamarind took a decade to flower - how old was your tree including before it was planted out? I'm asking because I have 3 seedling trees and I'd love to see a flower on one of them before 10 years from now! :)


It must have been in a pot close to a year and was root bound when I put it in the ground. It flowered well and grew aggresively, the small fruits didn't hang on though.
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2015, 08:55:29 AM »
Great photos....Yes I know the difference between Florida and California....

The Flowering could be induced by Wet condition ?? In Florida (after summer), in an hot mediterranea Climate (after winter) ?!

How much time does it take to ripe the fruits? (from flowering) ??


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In Madeira does it need irrigation? how many mm of rain do you have in one year?

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2015, 11:43:10 AM »
Great photos....Yes I know the difference between Florida and California....

The Flowering could be induced by Wet condition ?? In Florida (after summer), in an hot mediterranea Climate (after winter) ?!

How much time does it take to ripe the fruits? (from flowering) ??


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In Madeira does it need irrigation? how many mm of rain do you have in one year?

If you know the differences why do you keep comparing? Leave FL & CA out of your equations your comparisons are not valid.

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2015, 12:41:54 PM »
Great photos....Yes I know the difference between Florida and California....

The Flowering could be induced by Wet condition ?? In Florida (after summer), in an hot mediterranea Climate (after winter) ?!

How much time does it take to ripe the fruits? (from flowering) ??


P.s.

In Madeira does it need irrigation? how many mm of rain do you have in one year?

If you know the differences why do you keep comparing? Leave FL & CA out of your equations your comparisons are not valid.

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2015, 02:48:36 PM »
Yes i missed the answer written before about the time it took for flowering.....(sorry for this, sorry to have repeat the question) !!

Obviously I don't know all....none knows everything, the topics are done also to share and understand from other people.....you know more than me about Tamarind or Jackfruit, may be I know something more than you about other things.
I'm here also to learn.....

I know that California has a mediterranea climate which means that summer is dry......differently Florida is wet during the Summer and the winter is warmer than CA.....

I was just comparing the flowering induction of a plant in two different climates....to understand which were the induction-elements....

I'm Italian, I'm not familiar with English as you are.....sometimes I can misunderstand something, but I'm here to learn, not to be criticized !!!

 After this.....let's talk about Tamarind :)
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2015, 03:04:31 PM »
I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.

where was the tree on Big Pine?

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2015, 03:48:23 PM »
I had an in ground tamarindo in Orlando, Fl 9b. The seeds were from a tree in Big Pine Key. It flowered its third year in ground and took the cold like a champ. Thankfully, I was ignorant enough to try it.

where was the tree on Big Pine?

The tree is located south of Big Pine Key Fish Camp along the shore where it bumps out and the turns south west ~30 to 40 feet from the shore and at the edge of one of the salt water ponds amongst various other feral fruit trees. It is a large tree that was blown over years ago but it is still producing well. It is easy to collect fruit from since it is laying sideways.
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2015, 04:15:12 PM »
Yes i missed the answer written before about the time it took for flowering.....(sorry for this, sorry to have repeat the question) !!

Obviously I don't know all....none knows everything, the topics are done also to share and understand from other people.....you know more than me about Tamarind or Jackfruit, may be I know something more than you about other things.
I'm here also to learn.....

I know that California has a mediterranea climate which means that summer is dry......differently Florida is wet during the Summer and the winter is warmer than CA.....

I was just comparing the flowering induction of a plant in two different climates....to understand which were the induction-elements....

I'm Italian, I'm not familiar with English as you are.....sometimes I can misunderstand something, but I'm here to learn, not to be criticized !!!

 After this.....let's talk about Tamarind :)
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2015, 04:50:48 PM »
Sorry....i did a mistake, when i talk about Florida i refer to Miami area....or South Florida. It would be interesting to understand how far north Tamarind can be planted.....as i read in South Portugal it lives, but fruits rot before ripening during winter....and the Algarve region is probably the warmest of all Europe...I thought that fruits coming from the spring flowers did have enough time to ripe....(since main flowering it should be spring in that place)....

Tell about your experiments....does it grow well in pot?

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2015, 08:29:15 PM »
Sorry....i did a mistake, when i talk about Florida i refer to Miami area....or South Florida. It would be interesting to understand how far north Tamarind can be planted.....as i read in South Portugal it lives, but fruits rot before ripening during winter....and the Algarve region is probably the warmest of all Europe...I thought that fruits coming from the spring flowers did have enough time to ripe....(since main flowering it should be spring in that place)....

Tell about your experiments....does it grow well in pot?

I don't like tamarind I don't grow it. and who told you South Portugal is the warmest place in Europe?? Have you heard of Malaga ? or Sevilla, Cordoba or Cadiz??
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2015, 09:30:00 AM »
Algarve is one of the warmest place in Europe, Malag is not too far and has a similar climate, Cordoba and Sevilla are colder, Cadiz slightly warmer....

Average of Malaga: DEC :13.2C JAN 12.1C  FEB 12.9C

Average of Faro (South Portugal) : DEC 13.3C  JAN 12.0C  FEB 12.8C

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2015, 09:37:46 AM »
Tamarind definitely does not take 10 years to produce from seed, at least in my experience. My mother planted some seeds about 4-6 years ago, kept one and gave one to my grandmother. Ours fruited last year and has lots of flowers now, and my grandmother's fruited even earlier.

I too am curious as to what the normal duration is from fruitset to maturity, and perhaps cultivation or NPK formula advice.

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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2015, 11:22:30 AM »
Algarve is one of the warmest place in Europe, Malag is not too far and has a similar climate, Cordoba and Sevilla are colder, Cadiz slightly warmer....

Average of Malaga: DEC :13.2C JAN 12.1C  FEB 12.9C

Average of Faro (South Portugal) : DEC 13.3C  JAN 12.0C  FEB 12.8C

Wikipedia

not very warm. I though Malaga was like La Habra our average for those three month would be 16C Miami 20C

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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2015, 12:37:11 PM »
Yes, in Europe (Canary Islands apart, but there is Africa more than Europe) we don't have a place with winter temperature as high as Miami or South Florida. 

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2015, 01:18:29 PM »
Yes, in Europe (Canary Islands apart, but there is Africa more than Europe) we don't have a place with winter temperature as high as Miami or South Florida.

Canary Island is like Miami and SoCal. Miami is very close to tropical but there's no place with winter temps in Europe as high as SoCal.

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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2015, 03:36:48 PM »
Canary Islands (28N) has an ocean climate, Tenerife is also called "Isle of eternal spring"....never too hot, never too cold.

But several islands have less than 200mm water/year...1/10 of Miami.


The rest of Europe is not so warm, but south Europe is norther than North of Florida....Here in Italy, near to the France we have Liguria, probably the warmest place in the world for its latitude (44N)....there, i know people who tried Mango, I saw Guava and White Zapote fruits, Lytchee and Avocados are pretty common.

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2015, 07:41:28 AM »

 My own observation is that those tropical plants that require a lot of heat, tend
 to bloom rather late into Summer, and so the fruits will have to mature over winter
 and either fail or produce very poor quality fruits. Good examples: tamarind,
 birib (A. mucosa) and A. reticula.

 Some species develop their fruits much faster and have enough time to mature them
 before winter sets in: Lychee, longan, marula, mango, A. squamosa (part of the crop).
 For these, the main requirement is not being exposed to freezing temperatures. Given that,
 they can handle somewhat cool conditions over the whole winter.
 
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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2015, 04:38:21 PM »
I was talking abouth that in another place....it's a very interesting thing, I would like to open another thread to speak about that.  :)

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2015, 10:19:05 PM »
tamarind is purely tropical,it prefers a bit dry climate, dosent like much watering...seedling may take a bit more time to flower, even grafted plant need 5 years to flower...

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2015, 11:52:15 PM »
I have neglected my 5 gallon Tamarind and it is maybe 3 feet tall and wide. The tree flowered for the first time this year with (as expected) no fruit set. I have noticed it needing MORE water than less water during the warmer months. Otherwise, zero special care at my place...I had meant to plant it out but got some OCD on rarer trees to collect and was put "on the back burner". Chris

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Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2015, 04:12:55 AM »
tamarind is purely tropical,it prefers a bit dry climate, dosent like much watering...seedling may take a bit more time to flower, even grafted plant need 5 years to flower...

What do you mean with pure tropical?? Durian or Rambutam are purely tropical and can die if temp is below 10C...Tamarind can resist until 0C

 

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