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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2016, 04:57:57 AM »
Berto for sure!  if you can't bring back actual trees, bring back lots of books about them!

Oscar, I was pleased to see you got some credit in the book, I believe it says your pictures were used...I saw your name mentioned several times.

Thanks Adam. I look forward to seeing the book.
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2016, 03:29:15 PM »
was just reading the book (trying not to mess up the pages, my hands are always filthy it seems)...lots of new Pouterias! 

I'm really fond of Sapotaceous fruits...they had a nice lengthy section on the subject.
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2016, 05:40:19 PM »
Hey Oscar, if you are curious about forum interest,  you can put me down for one.   ;)

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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2016, 06:37:52 PM »
Can just use an app on the smartphone to translate the text to english by snapshot.

dude, I gotta get that app...what's it called?

I just caught this message. Try Google Translator it has built in OCR translate.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.translate&hl=en
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2016, 06:55:23 AM »
If anyone is interested i will have the new Lorenzi fruit book for sale with priority mail shipping included for $89 inside USA, and $104 outside of USA. Please PM me if you'd like a copy. I should get them in 3-4 weeks.
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2016, 07:00:56 AM »
Hi, "A must have for all serious jabuticaba (Brazilian fruit) collectors, this is the most recent and comprehensive book about this subject.",

so it list "new" jaboticaba species? or does it gives key info?
what could I find there that would not be on the net?


all sorts of new Myricaria and Plinia species and varieties....I don't think you can find the info online anywhere.

lots of new Eugenias too...extremely impressive photos....they have more photos in this book than the original "Brazilian Fruits" book...they show the whole tree, rather than just a few branches.

of course there is key info on all the new stuff too.



If th info is not online, it should be! a lot of endangered fruit trees need to be saved

If you are interested in endangered tropical fruit species please look at this list i posted previously:
part 1: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=419.msg5030#msg5030
part 2: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=420.msg5031#msg5031
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2016, 06:45:36 PM »
I have 3 copies available now of the new Lorenzi book, Frutas No Brasil. It's really a beauty, a lot fatter than the previous book, lots of new species. Only problem is it's only in portuguese language. If interested PM me. The price is $89 including priority mail shipping. The price to foreign countries will be $114 including priority mail shipping. If interested please PM me.
If you are interested in old english version i only have one copy left! This book is now unfortunately out of print. You can order that one from my website.
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2016, 05:10:13 AM »
I am interested to know what the changes are to plinia and myrciaria, although I suspect it is the following:
all traditional trunk-fruiting jaboticabas have been classified 'plinia' while the so-called false jaboticabas (like blue grape/blue jabo, cabelluda/yellow jabo, camu camu, cambui) have been classified 'myrciaria' as they fruit more on the stem and are genetically separate enough. There might be some exceptions like cambuca (plinia edulis).

I'm also thinking that Paulista and Sabara are two varieties of plinia cauliflora, not plinia jaboticaba as some are putting for Sabara. And if my memory serves me correctly, white jabo (aureana) is actually a variety of plinia phitrantha.

Have they put a tentative ID on the 'Grimal' yet?



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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2016, 09:42:47 PM »
Anyone?
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2016, 01:46:29 PM »
Dear Mango Stein,

I have the book and I tried to answer your questions, here is what the book can answer:

1) I saw no reference to grimal in the book; There is a P. spiritosantensis from the Brazilian state of Espírito Santo. I believe now there is widespread belief that grimal is not equivalent to P. spiritosantensis. I think the grimal is from the state of Alagoas, but there is no reference to that in the book; Could grimal be a northern cultivar/variety of P. spiritosantensis? I believe there is discussion on the Grimal somewhere on the forum by more knowledgeable, jaboticaba-experts;

2) Paulista is classified as P. cauliflora and Sabará as P. jaboticaba;

3) White jaboticaba not P. phitrantha but P. aureana;

4) The Plinia/Myrciaria divide you refer to (trunk-fruiting or not) seems correct according to the book.

I hope this has helped, at least while you don't get the book.

Cheers,

T

I am interested to know what the changes are to plinia and myrciaria, although I suspect it is the following:
all traditional trunk-fruiting jaboticabas have been classified 'plinia' while the so-called false jaboticabas (like blue grape/blue jabo, cabelluda/yellow jabo, camu camu, cambui) have been classified 'myrciaria' as they fruit more on the stem and are genetically separate enough. There might be some exceptions like cambuca (plinia edulis).

I'm also thinking that Paulista and Sabara are two varieties of plinia cauliflora, not plinia jaboticaba as some are putting for Sabara. And if my memory serves me correctly, white jabo (aureana) is actually a variety of plinia phitrantha.

Have they put a tentative ID on the 'Grimal' yet?





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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2016, 10:06:09 PM »
Thanks Azorean.

I might have considered buying a hard copy in English, but they don't have that planned. I'm probably too amateurish to appreciate the whole book anyway. It looks like they are still using the old taxonomic system which is not right in my opinion.

Sobral's system is newer and better. See the World Checklist of Selected Plant Families from Kew. http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=E8B64FB73EC27B80924FC1456C37E77A?checklist=selected_families%40%40044130220161035660

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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2016, 10:25:38 PM »
Oscar,

My book arrived, and its now one of the center pieces of my library.  IMO its a big step up from the Brazilian Fruits and Cultivated Exotics, even though the blue book is still head and shoulders over many of the books I have managed to collect. 

Are you familiar with the Serie Frutas Nativas line of books through FUNEP?  They are inexpensive and are written about just one species each.  Anyways thanks for the new black book.
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2016, 03:47:53 AM »
Oscar,

My book arrived, and its now one of the center pieces of my library.  IMO its a big step up from the Brazilian Fruits and Cultivated Exotics, even though the blue book is still head and shoulders over many of the books I have managed to collect. 

Are you familiar with the Serie Frutas Nativas line of books through FUNEP?  They are inexpensive and are written about just one species each.  Anyways thanks for the new black book.
I'm glad you like the new black book. Just sad they are probably not coming out with an english hard copy version. And the blue book version in english is now out of print, which means hard luck for english speaking fruit lovers. Don't know about the books from FUNEP. Do you have a link to their books? Thanks, Oscar
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« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2016, 03:09:44 PM »
Oscar, I agree it would have been nice if the book was offered in English, especially if the other book is now out of print.   

The link to the series of books on FUNEP.org.br is below.  I clicked one of the tabs on the left side of the page for book types (fruit books) and was amazed at the books they have listed for sale. 

The book I am interested in, is by Dr. Sergio Sartori on Uvaia.  Its maybe 40 pages or so, but I read somewhere else, that he says there are 11 to 16 species/varieties of Uvaia in Brazil.  I am just curious as to the quality, format, and composition of the book, because its the only website I have found with it listed.  I believe he wrote another one on grumixama (28 pages).

http://www.funep.org.br/listar_livros.php?idsubgenero=77
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2016, 04:30:22 PM »
Oscar, I agree it would have been nice if the book was offered in English, especially if the other book is now out of print.   

The link to the series of books on FUNEP.org.br is below.  I clicked one of the tabs on the left side of the page for book types (fruit books) and was amazed at the books they have listed for sale. 

The book I am interested in, is by Dr. Sergio Sartori on Uvaia.  Its maybe 40 pages or so, but I read somewhere else, that he says there are 11 to 16 species/varieties of Uvaia in Brazil.  I am just curious as to the quality, format, and composition of the book, because its the only website I have found with it listed.  I believe he wrote another one on grumixama (28 pages).

http://www.funep.org.br/listar_livros.php?idsubgenero=77

Thanks for the link. I think they are all in pamphlet format, not books. Still some may contain unique and detailed information as they are written by specialists in particular fruit. The trick is to get someone to mail them to you. I don't think that website mails internationally, or do they?
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2016, 10:47:33 PM »
I didn't see where they mailed internationally.   :-\

Maybe a Brazilian forum member might be willing to provide us a mailing service for a convenience fee  ;)
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Re: NEW BOOK: Frutas No Brasil, Nativas e Exoticas (Fruits in Brazil)
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2016, 08:47:56 AM »
Hey Azores,
If you have time, can you check what is written about the varieties of grumichama? I know about black (iocarpus), purple (erythrocarpus) and yellow (leucocarpus) but I haven't found a name for the orange type yet.
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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2016, 10:04:34 AM »
Hey Azores,
If you have time, can you check what is written about the varieties of grumichama? I know about black (iocarpus), purple (erythrocarpus) and yellow (leucocarpus) but I haven't found a name for the orange type yet.

Dear Mango Stein,

In the book, just the first three you mentioned: E. brasiliensis Lam.; E. brasiliensis var. erythrocarpa Cambess. (in the book it is called red grumichama, not purple); E. brasiliensis var. leucocarpa Cambess.

No orange variety. There are other, smaller, grumichamas but none is orange: E. itaguahiensis; E. longipedunculata; E. neosilvestris.

However, there is an orange-coloured pitanga: E. azeda, from the Northernmost areas of the Atlantic coast in Brazil.

I have never heard of an orange grumichama, let us know if you discover anything about it!

Cheers,

T

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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2016, 02:09:29 PM »
Good research.

There is an orange grumichama here in Australia, probably just a random mutation. It looks distinct from yellow, but I note that in the description they call it yellow as well. http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/buy/grumichama-orange-tree.htm The other thing I noticed is that the fruit appears to have no calyx.
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« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2016, 02:45:34 AM »
I have another request to ask for those with the latest book. Do they shed any light on the bunchosia armeniaca vs argentea vs glandulifera. I believe that the one with wavy leaves is glandulifera - and that is the most widespread. See for instance a good write-up on http://www.arthurleej.com/p-o-m-May11.html

Adam linked to the above, although disagreeing with it. Maybe glandulifera won't be in the book if it is native only to Colombia and Venezuela...
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