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How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« on: February 01, 2012, 09:11:17 PM »
I currently have one in ground and another one potted.  I will like to add another one right next to the one in ground but the largest I've seen are just a bit larger and wider than mine.  I wonder if Amy of you could share pics of more mature Pickerings.

Here is my the in ground of course adorned by inpatients because she is the princess (I know I lost my mind).  Followed by a dwarfed Glenn (that's another story) and a Carrie in the end.





And here is the potted one.  Their growth habit seems different.





Sorry about the size of the pics I don't know how to fix it.

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 11:49:59 AM »
Pickering is sold as dwarf, but have heard a few older growers say they've seen it get big.


So just a guess, the tree will get around 35ft if you let it (over the course of 10 yrs or so).

But could easily be kept at around 15ft or shorter.


I plan on growing mine in pots, until they are too large to move by myself (65gal)...then maybe sell them for what I paid for them. ;) ;D ;) :P

« Last Edit: February 02, 2012, 02:40:29 PM by ASaffron »

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 02:17:30 PM »
Adam:

Do you remember who may have mentioned Pickering growing large?  I have one that has been in the ground for maybe 5-6 years and has yet to reach 5 feet tall.  I couldn't imagine one at 35 feet.  If you could find out where it might be seen....I would love to see it and speak to the owner.  As far as what I have observed, Pickering seems to be a super dwarf on the same level as Julie and Ice Cream.  I know Murahilin says that in Trinidad there are Julie trees that are very large.  I forget how large.  But I think those are like 100 years old or more.  Anyway, if you can recall where you heard about these large Pickerings I'd appreciate a lead.  Thanks.

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 02:39:06 PM »
Adam:

Do you remember who may have mentioned Pickering growing large?  I have one that has been in the ground for maybe 5-6 years and has yet to reach 5 feet tall.  I couldn't imagine one at 35 feet.  If you could find out where it might be seen....I would love to see it and speak to the owner.  As far as what I have observed, Pickering seems to be a super dwarf on the same level as Julie and Ice Cream.  I know Murahilin says that in Trinidad there are Julie trees that are very large.  I forget how large.  But I think those are like 100 years old or more.  Anyway, if you can recall where you heard about these large Pickerings I'd appreciate a lead.  Thanks.

Harry

I believe Charles Novak told me this, but don't quote me just yet...let me double check...

I just made a guess based on mango growth habit.

I have one that I bought 2 yrs ago (3gal pine island), in a 15 gal pot, and it's approaching 5ft or taller, and grows just as fast as other mango trees I have.

Let me see if I can confirm my statement.

Thanks

PS have you seen original Cogshall tree??? nothing dwarf about it!

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 02:52:55 PM »
No, I haven't seen the original Cogshall, but that does not surprise me at all.  At my house at least, Cogshall outgrows Pickering by 3 to 1.....or more. 

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 02:58:25 PM »
No, I haven't seen the original Cogshall, but that does not surprise me at all.  At my house at least, Cogshall outgrows Pickering by 3 to 1.....or more. 

Harry

Have heard VP out grows other mangos by about a rate of 2:1.

Don't know of any other varieties with this feature.

Have u noticed the pickering has HUGE leaves  every now and again?

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 03:33:09 PM »
No, I can't say that I have noticed any real disparity between the leaves on Pickering and the leaves on other mangoes.  Could there be a shading effect on your tree?  Sometimes a tree grown in partial shade or under shadecloth will show markedly larger leaf size.

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 09:11:53 PM »
Woaha!!! 35ft!
Does anyone has a pic of a Pickering at least 10-12 feet tall? I would love to see if anyone could share! I know is a "newer" cultivar but there has to be one documented somewhere.
Harry, how wide is yours? How is the trunk? About how many fruits do you get from it.
Thanks!
BTW, sorry for all the spelling errors, autocorrect on phones are a blessing and a curse!

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 09:59:16 PM »
Pickering's vertical growth is so slow and the cultivar being "new" (relatively speaking), I'd be surprised to see one that was 35 feet tall. Saw one last summer that was 10 years old, never pruned, and it was shorter than me. Fruit and Spice Park also has a Pickering around the same age that isn't much taller.

Here's a pic someone on gardenweb posted of it last April:

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 11:42:37 AM »



I plan on growing mine in pots, until they are too large to move by myself (65gal)...then maybe sell them for what I paid for them. ;) ;D ;) :P

Is there a point of diminishing return as far as growing mangos in pots?  Would you have to keep putting them in larger and larger pots forever to keep the tree happy?

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 11:56:04 AM »



I plan on growing mine in pots, until they are too large to move by myself (65gal)...then maybe sell them for what I paid for them. ;) ;D ;) :P

Is there a point of diminishing return as far as growing mangos in pots?  Would you have to keep putting them in larger and larger pots forever to keep the tree happy?

No,
it was a bad joke,

The tree becomes more valuable the bigger it gets, especially in a pot, where you can lug it about, to the home of who is willing to pay the most!

I only paid 500 dollars for my 3 gallon tree... ;D ;D ;)

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 01:15:52 PM »
Ooops ::)     I figured you were joking about the price part.  I'm not sure if I've ever seen fruit trees in huge pots, so wasn't sure how transplantable, or how fruitful they would be at that state.   Is root pruning required?

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 01:22:48 PM »
Ooops ::)     I figured you were joking about the price part.  I'm not sure if I've ever seen fruit trees in huge pots, so wasn't sure how transplantable, or how fruitful they would be at that state.   Is root pruning required?

As a general rule,

Yes root pruning is required,
but this can be avoided, if you constantly repot the plant before it becomes root bound...but I always prune roots to some degree.

And plants can be put right back into same container if root pruned (especially if you start by setting the plant in the pot, quite low, at an early age...you can step the same plant up, in the same 25 gal pot, about 4 times, just go higher up each time!

Good luck, maybe more will realize the benefits of container culture!

I have a presentation I did about his just a month or so ago...if you want a link let me know.

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 01:25:13 PM »
Still have yet to call Charles, and see if it was him who said he saw large pickering trees.

Keep in mind my estimated height of 35 ft, was based upon overall height of other mango varieties I've seen, like Cogshall, Carrie, Ice Cream, etc...

I could be way off.  I hope I am!  I'd love a really nice short tree...

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2012, 01:44:50 PM »
I'd really appreciate that link. Potting and re-potting are a mystery to me.

As a general rule,

Yes root pruning is required,
but this can be avoided, if you constantly repot the plant before it becomes root bound...but I always prune roots to some degree.

And plants can be put right back into same container if root pruned (especially if you start by setting the plant in the pot, quite low, at an early age...you can step the same plant up, in the same 25 gal pot, about 4 times, just go higher up each time!

Good luck, maybe more will realize the benefits of container culture!

I have a presentation I did about his just a month or so ago...if you want a link let me know.

Adam
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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2012, 01:49:20 PM »
I took some pictures of my garden the last 2 weeks. Unfortunately, I am container bound for now. I am envious of the pictures of other posters  :P. I keep all my plants outside year round.

I don't know if you have to be a member of yahoo group to join, but here is a link to a presentation I gave about container culture that you might enjoy!  Hope you can access it please let me know!


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TFCCF/photos/album/0/list

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2012, 08:29:25 PM »
Squam, thanks for that pic. I don't know how I missed it on the other forum.  It's a little bush, I'll probably prune mine every couple of years. 

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2012, 01:26:46 PM »
A couple of links from the other forum on growing trees in containers. This is bonsai oriented but pertains to any containerized tree.
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg0401204212994.html?148
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg1219194314307.html
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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2012, 04:21:03 PM »
I do not know the pickering variety specifically, but a mango tree will grow 12 meters (50 feet) or more unless on dwarfing rootstock or trimmed.  Below is a photo of a neighbor's mango tree, which is not exceptionally large for a mature tree:



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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2012, 06:11:46 PM »
I do not know the pickering variety specifically, but a mango tree will grow 12 meters (50 feet) or more unless on dwarfing rootstock or trimmed.  Below is a photo of a neighbor's mango tree, which is not exceptionally large for a mature tree:



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Regardless of grafted on dwarfing rootstock, not all mango trees will grow to 50 feet.  There are some that are naturally "dwarfed" and some that just flat out grow to differing heights naturally.
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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2012, 07:15:30 PM »
I do not know the pickering variety specifically, but a mango tree will grow 12 meters (50 feet) or more unless on dwarfing rootstock or trimmed.  Below is a photo of a neighbor's mango tree, which is not exceptionally large for a mature tree:



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Maybe in Fiji, but here in Florida there are definitely varieties that won't hit anywhere close to 50 feet.

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2012, 07:51:21 PM »
My Pickering Mango tree seems to want to grow more like a bush then a regular tree. Had it a for few years and its holding at just about five feet tall and four feet wide. If any of my mango trees are "dwarfs" its this one.

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2012, 10:21:08 PM »
Hey to all in question about the large trees of Pickering I heard about,

Still waiting to hear back from Charles Novak!  I left a message! But I swear he told me he saw some around 15ft, and way larger than he expected them to be...

Maybe he was confused and it was a different cultivar, or maybe I'm confused and I dreamed this all in my head!

Keep you posted! I hope the are dwarf!!!  So far I'm leaning towards thinking they are an easy tree to keep at around 12-15ft tall, forever!!

I hope so, because resistance to anthracnose and fungus seems excellent, and fruit is amazing!!

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2012, 08:34:36 PM »
Pickering is sold as dwarf, but have heard a few older growers say they've seen it get big.


So just a guess, the tree will get around 35ft if you let it (over the course of 10 yrs or so).

But could easily be kept at around 15ft or shorter.


I plan on growing mine in pots, until they are too large to move by myself (65gal)...then maybe sell them for what I paid for them. ;) ;D ;) :P

Talked to Charles Novak, and couldn't confirm it was him who said pickering get big....I will have to say based on all of my findings, this tree isn't a tall grower...seems really dwarf and compact, but makes huge leaves for me....and grows like any other mango..so far...so time will tell...but I"m in love with this cultivar, and the trees compact growth, and resistance to anthracnose..

Sorry to scare you guys! They won't get to be 35ft like cogshall...I bet for a pickering to get 20ft, it would take about 12yrs....with good growing conditions in FL...

Just another guess...

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Re: How large will a Pickering mango tree get?
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2012, 10:02:38 PM »
Adam, thanks for the link to your presentation. It's just the sort of information I've been looking for.

 

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