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The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« on: December 02, 2016, 10:29:32 PM »
A few new mangoes have been pre-released!  They are coming very soon and  many collectors will be thrilled and pulling out a few trees if there is no room. lol  Orange Essence #40-33, more than likely an Orange Sherbet seedling and Phoenix are now in my front row. I will be very curious to taste my Orange Sherbet and compare it to Orange Essence.






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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2016, 10:53:07 PM »
Ack no dont mention orange sherbert.. The forum might melt down.

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2016, 10:57:00 PM »
lmao I know Druss! Cotton Candy is coming and saw it first hand but I have no interest myself.

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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2016, 11:33:22 PM »
Wha what what?!?

How does one be privy to the pre-released :).
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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2016, 11:39:07 PM »
I am not privy at all, As told to me, they were released at only one or a few of each variety per certain nurseries. I was just very lucky!

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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2016, 11:48:57 PM »
Based on prior information,  it was 40-36 that was being named Orange Essence.   Either way, 40-33 is Kent x Gary and 40-36 is Edward x Gary.

This has no relationship nor taate like that of Orange Sherbert. Both 40-33 and 40-36 were part of the same breeding project.  There were no new breeding done from seedling if that original project
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2016, 11:51:57 PM »
Thanks for that info and I found that in another post and was wondering if it was wrong or a mistake. What do you think of this Orange Essence and flavor profile?

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2016, 11:57:56 PM »
Ok, with a name like Orange Essence I would think.... actually not, I have Peach Cobbler!

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2016, 11:59:33 PM »
Orange Essence is good to very good.  Has a more of a generic citrusy componenet but not candy-like like OS, LZ or Peaxh Cobbler.  To me, does not have that super wow factor but when the fruit was sold, it was well liked by many.  Does not really have that orangey taste like OS.  Phoenix and Cotfon Candy are much better, these are top tier.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2016, 12:02:04 AM »
Ok, with a name like Orange Essence I would think.... actually not, I have Peach Cobbler!

And if you have never tasted Peaxh Cobbler, it taates nothing like peaxhes.  It has a distinxtive tangering flavor....thats the funny thing about the names they are given.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2016, 12:08:26 AM »
Thanks for that info! I had a good feeling about Phoenix with it's parentage. Cotton candy may be great but unless I had many tastings and knew for sure, I would not pull the trigger.

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2016, 12:10:14 AM »
Yes, I was making my remarks above about Peach Cobbler as just that!

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2016, 12:10:31 AM »
Thanks for that info! I had a good feeling about Phoenix with it's parentage. Cotton candy may be great but unless I had many tastings and knew for sure, I would not pull the trigger.

If you have the room, it is well worth it.  Has a distinct cotton candy component to it plus it is later season.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2016, 12:14:25 AM »
I would have to kick out Sweet Tart which I really did not like. It was it's first year bearing so am giving it one more year to possibly improve. I rated it at 9.5 with one tasting from your coast, but in this area on my soil, it really was average at best. I held it to solid yellow on the tree, fully tree ripened.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2016, 12:15:50 AM »
Yes, I was making my remarks above about Peach Cobbler as just that!

Yeah, if you want a peach flavor in a mango, Juicy Peach is the way to go.  It was consistently possibly the best mango I had in 2016.
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2016, 12:20:04 AM »
I would have to kick out Sweet Tart which I really did not like. It was it's first year bearing so am giving it one more year to possibly improve. I rated it at 9.5 with one tasting from your coast, but in this area on my soil, it really was average at best. I held it to solid yellow on the tree, fully tree ripened.

Thats odd.  As you know, it is an amazing mango.  If I were you, I would give it some time to see if age makes it better.  By fhe way, last year here was not a great mango year and Sweet Tart was veey good but not as great as it can be and like ut has been in prior years.
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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2016, 12:23:14 AM »
That juicy peach caught my attention by all your reviews on here but I have canned peaches in Dot. But trust me, it does entice me and now that you said that, it entices me more! changing direction, That Phoenix is the biggest 3 gallon I have seen in awhile. Something tells me it is going to be a large tree.

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2016, 12:27:29 AM »
That juicy peach caught my attention by all your reviews on here but I have canned peaches in Dot. But trust me, it does entice me and now that you said that, it entices me more! changing direction, That Phoenix is the biggest 3 gallon I have seen in awhile. Something tells me it is going to be a large tree.

If it takes anything growthwise from its parent,  Dot, it may be vigorous.  Taste wise, way better than Dot and did not seem to have the powdery mildew susceptibility.

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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2016, 08:46:27 AM »
I can only say You are the only person I know of on here who knew of its flavor profile and were the lucky guy to try it,  there was zero info anywhere on it as you know. It almost sounded as if it was your favorite, or close to favorite mango. So Sweet Tart is now 2nd? lol

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2016, 10:17:02 AM »
I can only say You are the only person I know of on here who knew of its flavor profile and were the lucky guy to try it,  there was zero info anywhere on it as you know. It almost sounded as if it was your favorite, or close to favorite mango. So Sweet Tart is now 2nd? lol

There were very few Cotton Candy fruit availa le let year cause they sacrificed the crop to harvest the budwood to graft the current batch of trees.  There was a good number of fruit available the year before and I had the opportunity to enjoy a number of them and they were consistently fantastic.  I had one last year and it was equall to those of the previous year.

I would have to say, for me, top 5 of released varieties are Sweet Tart,  Cotton Candy. Phoenix,  Sweet Tart, Juicy Peach and Lemon Zest  (oops, thats 6)...any of which could fall in any in any order depending on the individual fruit.

There are also a few that have not been released that would compete for a top position.  Hopefully they will be released in the near future but who knows.
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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2016, 10:47:14 AM »
what's the flavor profile of phoenix?

of course I ask this while simultaneously scratching my head as to where I would put another tree.

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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2016, 10:53:15 AM »
what's the flavor profile of phoenix?

of course I ask this while simultaneously scratching my head as to where I would put another tree.
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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2016, 11:45:49 AM »
Does Bender have any of these for sale yet?
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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2016, 12:12:50 PM »
Does Bender have any of these for sale yet?

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Re: The new soon to be released kids on the block!
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2016, 12:19:35 PM »
I would have to kick out Sweet Tart which I really did not like. It was it's first year bearing so am giving it one more year to possibly improve.

Have found most fruit trees do not render good fruit until they have some age under their belt and that includes avocados.  Venture to say it has something to do with the fruit load to canopy/root mass balance.  Next year drop 1/2 of the fruit if the canopy will not support more.

 

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