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Can anyone shed light on the taste and productivity of these varieties? A friend of mine got these varieties from Zills the other day. I was told that they were released earlier this month along with Phoenix, Orange Essence, Seacrest and Providence.

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I've had most of these and they're all good to excellent, but Kathy (K-3) is the best of the bunch, especially if you're a fan of Sweet Tart, of which it's a sibling from Zill Indochinese.

Before anyone asks, Orange Essence bears no relation to Orange Sherbet from what I understand . Still excellent though.

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I have Sweet Tart. Would it make sense to add Kathy? I tasted Cotton Candy last year and was really impressed.

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I have Sweet Tart. Would it make sense to add Kathy? I tasted Cotton Candy last year and was really impressed.

I think it's worth having both yes. I group Kathy in the same "flavor class" as Sweet Tart and the other Zinc progeny similar to how one would group The Burmese mangos and their descendants (Lemon Zest, Orange Sherbet). You can see the similarity but they definitely aren't identical.

K-3 also tends to make larger fruit Fwiw.

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Hey Squam!  Have you tasted Orange Essence? I have read obviously limited reports of how it tastes. Quote: like an orange lifesaver with sugar cane. If that's the case, it would match up quite well to Orange Sherbet. Also, a question on Peach Cobbler? I have the tree and will be letting it fruit this year! From what I have read, It seems to bear at similar times to Venus, or within about a week or so, is this somewhat correct? beginning to Middle of August ?

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Wow these new varieties sound great! Where are they being sold? I'm sure I'd have to trek down to south FL, but these might be worth the trip. Thanks!
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Its getting crazy! only so much land. I tend to give away trees if I don't like them. I stocked a few homes with throw away trees over the years.

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I've had most of these and they're all good to excellent, but Kathy (K-3) is the best of the bunch, especially if you're a fan of Sweet Tart, of which it's a sibling from Zill Indochinese.

Before anyone asks, Orange Essence bears no relation to Orange Sherbet from what I understand . Still excellent though.

Correct, no relation or resemblance to Orange Sherbert.
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No offense to the Zills but Delores is not in the same class with any of them whatsoever.

Anyone recall what number designation Nancy is.
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No offense to the Zills but Delores is not in the same class with any of them whatsoever.

Anyone recall what number designation Nancy is.

 Is That to say it's better?

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2016, 08:54:51 AM »
No Cotton Candy yet? 
Rob, which is the best?
How is Seacrest?
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2016, 08:59:57 AM »

I have had both Cotton Candy and Seacrest. They are both excellent. Definitely top tier, for my taste buds at least.

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2016, 09:26:27 AM »

I have had both Cotton Candy and Seacrest. They are both excellent. Definitely top tier, for my taste buds at least.
Please describe Seacrest--flavor, appearance, when it ripens, tree characteristics.  Thank you.  (You're in Coral Springs.  Nearby.  Good to know, or should I say, "Good to know you"?!!)  You must have a lot of mango trees.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2016, 11:24:53 AM »
To put it bluntly,  Delores is subpar at best.

Out of all that have been or will be released, Cotton Candy and Phoenix are by far  head and shoulders above the rest.   

Next would be Kathy which for those who have not had it and as described above, is from the ZINC just as Sweet Tart is.  Fruit size is larger than ST.  Taste is different and very good but those with a keen set of taste buds will detect the relationship between the three.

Seacrest comes from an Edward which I believe may have been crossed with Gary.  It can be good but would not put it in that top class as LZ, ST. OS, CC, Phoenix,  Peach Cobbler. Juicy Peach,  etc.  It falls more under the category of a clean, sweet and juicy mango such as Harvest Moon but lacks that "wow factor" like those in what I and others would call top tier.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2016, 11:37:39 AM »
What's the difference between Venus and Kathy?
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2016, 12:07:04 PM »
What's the difference between Venus and Kathy?

And along those lines, I was wondering about the seasons for each of these new types. I imagine Seacrest by be a bit early-mid given its Edward parentage, but is Kathy late?

I'm at the point in my yard where I'm looking more to extend season. Is Kathy late like Venus?
Rob, any light you can shed here? Thanks.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2016, 12:33:39 PM »
What is the flavor of lil gem and ambrosia? Anyone know the parentage?

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2016, 12:34:13 PM »
If I had to answer, I would say Venus can extend a tad longer than Kathy.  Both are in the August and beyond class, depending on bloom tumes.

Taste. I might want tonsay Kathy has more characteristics od ZINC or ST but not identical to either.  Venus has its own flavor profile that seperates it from ST.

Seacrest is usually a later portion of early season to mid season.  Definitely not as early as a straight Edward.

Cotton Candy is also later season.

Delores is later season but I would not reserve a space for ut if I had any say.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2016, 12:53:13 PM »
I've had sweet tart,  Venus and Zinc.
I love the flavor of sweet tart but the texture is something that I'm not too high on. I'm a fan of a more jelly pectin type texture.
I found the texture of Venus and Zinc more agreeable to me.
What's the texture of Kathy like?
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2016, 12:55:05 PM »
What is the flavor of lil gem and ambrosia? Anyone know the parentage?

Eric

What about butterbean or a pot of gold?

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2016, 01:01:37 PM »
What is the flavor of lil gem and ambrosia? Anyone know the parentage?

Eric

What about butterbean or a pot of gold?

That would be Buttercream, lol.  May be in the works but no immediate plans.  I know you, Jeff and Peter really liked it but I wasnt overly impressed with it.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2016, 01:03:56 PM »
This what I know about Little Gem.  It is highly productive with odd shaped and varying sized.  Has rich flavor, firm dark orange pulp and free of fiber. Tree grows compact but not dewarf.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2016, 01:05:43 PM »
I've had sweet tart,  Venus and Zinc.
I love the flavor of sweet tart but the texture is something that I'm not too high on. I'm a fan of a more jelly pectin type texture.
I found the texture of Venus and Zinc more agreeable to me.
What's the texture of Kathy like?

Kathy is more like ZINC in texture but can get a little on the soft side but maybe not as a fully ripe ST.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2016, 01:09:20 PM »
This what I know about Little Gem.  It is highly productive with odd shaped and varying sized.  Has rich flavor, firm dark orange pulp and free of fiber. Tree grows compact but not dewarf.

There are so many varieties out there I'm going to have to dig out a few trees and make some cocktail

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2016, 01:11:13 PM »
I've had sweet tart,  Venus and Zinc.
I love the flavor of sweet tart but the texture is something that I'm not too high on. I'm a fan of a more jelly pectin type texture.
I found the texture of Venus and Zinc more agreeable to me.
What's the texture of Kathy like?

Kathy is more like ZINC in texture but can get a little on the soft side but maybe not as a fully ripe ST.

Thanks for the info Rob
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