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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #100 on: September 16, 2017, 10:38:21 AM »
Sorry for the noob question,

What or who detainment a new varieties? Florida State Horticultural Society or International Cultivation Registration Authority or International Society for Horticultural Science. What physical or chemical characteristics is consider a new varieties?

Why mango are patented? If you're not the creator of the mother/father plant, can you laid claim to the offspring F1?
If patented, does this mean I can't sell my tree, fruit, scion, seeds to another hobbyist? How long does it take for patent to clear?

Does US patented extend outside US borders?

breeding mango is like breeding fish....

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #101 on: September 16, 2017, 11:31:48 AM »
Sorry for the noob question,

What or who detainment a new varieties? Florida State Horticultural Society or International Cultivation Registration Authority or International Society for Horticultural Science. What physical or chemical characteristics is consider a new varieties?

Why mango are patented? If you're not the creator of the mother/father plant, can you laid claim to the offspring F1?
If patented, does this mean I can't sell my tree, fruit, scion, seeds to another hobbyist? How long does it take for patent to clear?

Does US patented extend outside US borders?

breeding mango is like breeding fish....

Thank you,

Anytime you plant a new seed that is not polyembronic, you have a new variety.  The question is whether that new variety is better than the existing varieties.  Most of these new varieties are from Zills High Performance, a mango wholesaler in Florida.  The Zill Family introduced of a number of varieties over the past decade. 

Mangos are patented to prevent others from duplicating the trees until the patent expires.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #102 on: September 24, 2017, 08:38:52 PM »
Thanks everyone for all the great info on these mangoes and many others. I am a very new backyard gardener but have gotten hooked one planting mangoes, especially the new Zill varieties. I wanted to know if with these new releases has Orange Sherbet been finally released to the public? I have read all the drama/confusion about this cultivar and like many others would love to have one.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #103 on: September 24, 2017, 09:02:19 PM »
Thanks everyone for all the great info on these mangoes and many others. I am a very new backyard gardener but have gotten hooked one planting mangoes, especially the new Zill varieties. I wanted to know if with these new releases has Orange Sherbet been finally released to the public? I have read all the drama/confusion about this cultivar and like many others would love to have one.

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #104 on: September 24, 2017, 09:14:35 PM »
Future thanks for the response, and I thought that Orange Sherbet was not apart of the new releases. I was just looking at Top Tropicals site and saw that they are selling what they are calling Orange Sherbet Mango trees. Because I know the confusion that has happened in the past with this cultivar I thought I would ask the forum.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #105 on: October 25, 2017, 05:06:02 PM »
Truly Tropical new video interviews Marlys and Har re Kathy, Phoenix, Juicy Peach, Peach Cobbler, Fruit Punch

https://youtu.be/CK0DSswr_xQ

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #106 on: October 25, 2017, 08:23:44 PM »
I enjoyed watching the video.  Thanks for sharing. 

Anyone know what happened to the mother Phoenix tree that nearly killed it?

Is the splitting on Kathy worse than Sweet Tart? I am inland and Sweet Tart gets black from the splitting. Normally the flavor and eating quality are not affected. Occasionally insects larvae infest the fruit.

Juicy Peach sounds like it will do well in my yard.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #107 on: October 26, 2017, 09:45:00 AM »
Tried little gem this season and not a fan

Juicy peach is growing fast and perhaps the cleanest tree of my recent plantings

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #108 on: October 26, 2017, 12:36:13 PM »
Little Gem, not little jim.

The initial evaluation of the Phoenix tree by Gary Zill was unfavorable, so he chain-sawed it off near ground level.  From there it grew again and fruited. 
Then he liked it a lot!
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #109 on: October 26, 2017, 02:56:34 PM »
What are the growth habits of buttercream, guava, orange essence, phoenix?

Thanks is advance

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #110 on: October 27, 2017, 08:12:08 AM »
I haven't seen any fruiting-size tree of 'Guava' mango.

The others you mentioned have normal, medium vigor and all the usual canopy shape.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #111 on: October 28, 2017, 10:37:16 PM »


The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #112 on: October 29, 2017, 12:53:26 PM »


The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.

Where did you get those from?

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #113 on: November 03, 2017, 06:10:40 PM »


The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.

Buttercream is new to me. Anyone tasted it?

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #114 on: November 03, 2017, 06:25:54 PM »


The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.

Buttercream is new to me. Anyone tasted it?

Yes, really good. A little comparable to Venus I suppose.

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #115 on: November 03, 2017, 10:05:38 PM »
If I had to choose between Butter Cream and Orange Essence, which one would it be to put into ground? I like complex flavors.

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #116 on: November 03, 2017, 10:15:22 PM »
If I had to choose between Butter Cream and Orange Essence, which one would it be to put into ground? I like complex flavors.

That's a pretty tough call. I'd say Orange Essence is slightly more complex. Neither had been widely planted/out long enough to derive any conclusions about their production traits.

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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #117 on: November 03, 2017, 10:24:19 PM »
If I had to choose between Butter Cream and Orange Essence, which one would it be to put into ground? I like complex flavors.


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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #118 on: November 04, 2017, 10:12:07 AM »


The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.

Where did you get those from?

Eric

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We special requested them from Tropical Treasures, who is certified to ship to CA.
More plants may become available to the general public in spring.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2017, 10:30:53 PM by wslau »
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Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
« Reply #119 on: November 27, 2017, 01:34:59 PM »
Wow these new varieties sound great! Where are they being sold? I'm sure I'd have to trek down to south FL, but these might be worth the trip. Thanks!
Excalibur nursery in Lake Worth has them, and a lot of different types of tropical fruit

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What about the taste of Nancy?  I read that it's disease resistance and productivity are very good, but I haven't seen any real descriptions of flavor.

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The flavor of Nancy is better than Tommy Atkins.
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The flavor of Nancy is better than Tommy Atkins.

wow, that is some comparison!  ;D ;D

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The flavor of Nancy is better than Tommy Atkins.

Can I assume that Delores is better than Nancy then and Keitt is still better than either for a late season mango?

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They are both likely more disease-resistant than Keitt.  And Nancy is a very attractive fruit.

I have pointed out before, on other threads, that Tommy Atkin, tree-matured and eaten still firm, slightly green, is good enough to be refreshing.
Tommy Atkins earns its terrible reputation when well ripened--- all the worse when imported.
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