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Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« on: January 14, 2017, 12:48:44 PM »
I am looking to buy a plant and found only two sources for it. One being Flying Fox where it is listed as an atemoya (currently sold out) and the other being Wayne Clifton (recommended to me by a couple of posters here). I emailed him to inquire about availability and got a message back saying he does not know what a 'Dream atemoya' is, he propagates 'Dream cherimoya'.

The posts I have read here refer to it as a Dream atemoya. But, it feels like I insulted Mr Clifton by calling it an atemoya which was certainly not my intention. So, atemoya or cherimoya, which is it?

Thanks.

P.S. - I am not pointing fingers and do not want to start an argument. Just trying to figure out the confusion in the names.

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2017, 01:41:32 PM »
Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2017, 01:49:25 PM »
I must have e-mailed him the same time you have and i got the answer. The Flying Fox probably sells it but he is hard to reach also.Come spring we might be able to buy one.Maybe me may buy one on lay-way.

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2017, 02:39:21 PM »
Thanks, Josh. Yeah, I won't make that mistake again. I just hope I haven't offended him to the point that he won't sell me a plant.

Luak - glad I am not the only one that made that mistake :-)! I am guessing Wayne is probably really irritated with emails he gets inquiring about the 'Dream atemoya'.

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2017, 03:02:20 PM »
Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.

Same genetics,  you mean both annonas?  Other than that, an atemoya and cherimoya are not the same.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2017, 03:24:43 PM by bsbullie »
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2017, 03:08:58 PM »
Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.

i tried to sell as cherimoya, then got bunch of resistance from the buyers, who didn't agree it was pure cherimoya...so I called in an atemoya to be safe...but then that pissed Wayne off...lol...I can't win...

I just said to hell with it, and started calling it an Annona...ain't nobody got time for that....


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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2017, 03:24:21 PM »
Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.

i tried to sell as cherimoya, then got bunch of resistance from the buyers, who didn't agree it was pure cherimoya...so I called in an atemoya to be safe...but then that pissed Wayne off...lol...I can't win...

I just said to hell with it, and started calling it an Annona...ain't nobody got time for that....

Yup, just call it Dream Annona...
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2017, 04:13:45 PM »
Don't worry Rob we got Arka Shan here which is the same thing and we have plenty of wood here

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2017, 04:37:24 PM »
Don't worry Rob we got Arka Shan here which is the same thing and we have plenty of wood here

I got my Arka graft to take so hopefully next year I will be able to put these against each other. I know Wayne's came from a seedling. I think he has had it for about 20 years.
Same genetics. Don't call it an atemoya when dealing with Wayne. Excellent fruit. It is the best annona I have tasted in Florida but I certainly haven't tried them all.



Same genetics,  you mean both annonas?  Other than that, an atemoya and cherimoya are not the same.

Different species for the same stick of budwood. I know the controversy.

I am guessing Wayne will sell to you guys. Just ask for the Dream Cherimoya. ;)

If for some reason he doesn't, a lot of people have it now and it is out there. I wasn't going to graft any to sell just because he is my buddy and I have over purchased, over planted and have way too much to do in too small of an area anyway.

It is a top-notch fruit for us here in FL.
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2017, 06:52:23 PM »
Wayne Clifton corrected me and stated it was Dream Cherimoya.
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2017, 11:03:18 PM »
Wayne insists it is a cherimoya, and swears it came from a cherimoya seed. You know what else came from a cherimoya seed? Damn near every other atemoya known to man; the seed parent is only half the story.

IF the Dream is a cherimoya, it has some awfully pointy leaves relative to just about all other cherimoya out there.

That said, it is closer to a cherimoya in terms of taste than any other atemoya I've had, and it grows and fruits well here in FL. Totally worth growing IMHO, and definitely better than Gefner.

I'll be grafting a dozen or two Dream in the spring, and plan on having them available for sale as soon as they're healed up.
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2017, 11:06:53 PM »
Don't worry Rob we got Arka Shan here which is the same thing and we have plenty of wood here

I'm planning on ordering some Arka Sahan wood from you when you're doing your scion sale, and am really looking forward to comparing the fruit side by side. Besides fruit pics, which I will agree look fairly similar, do you have any other evidence Dream is the same as Arka Sahan?
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2017, 11:19:30 PM »
Last year I sent 2 emails to Wayne asking about the Dream atemoya for purchase and never got a response. Now
I finally understand why. Oh well I bought one from The Dom and have a wonderful plant and I didn't have to drive
almost 2 hours to Bradenton. I would love to get another one Dom whenever you have one available!
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2017, 11:17:04 PM »
RHA#3 a seedling of Arka Sahan aka Dream it's been in SoCal for over 40 year always been an atemoya


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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2017, 11:20:24 AM »
Met Wayne.

He just got finished working on the fruit fly infestation in homestead

His day job is in the state ag department

I bought a dream cherimoya from him

His call not mine.  I will respect that

It is grafted on cherimoya

I'm happy

« Last Edit: January 17, 2017, 11:26:32 AM by WGphil »

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2017, 05:40:10 PM »
Wait.

So Arka Sarhan  and Dream Atemoya are one and the same?

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2017, 07:33:40 AM »
Bottom line

If you want one from Wayne you call it what he calls it .

If you want a California type you are calling the wrong guy.   

I was glad to get it no matter.   New fruits that handle Ocala  cold are most welcome.

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2017, 01:26:13 PM »
Wait.

So Arka Sarhan  and Dream Atemoya are one and the same?

Some of us believe dream's mother tree is a grafted tree the evidence is compelling.....look around and see for yourself. I'll have more pix of Arka Sahan in spring
« Last Edit: January 19, 2017, 01:30:07 PM by JF »

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2017, 01:28:12 PM »
The Dream seedling was grafted onto an established rootstock.
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2017, 01:32:27 PM »
The Dream seedling was grafted onto an established rootstock.

Than he should show us the mother tree like I did with Ismael avocado and the grafted version which differs in season but not in quality

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2017, 04:29:46 PM »
Just to share a photo of dream and an observation. I have all cherimoyas and atemoyas in greenhouse. They all have new developing fruits on or flowers. I have got -3C  inside of gh. I noticed that all fruits of cherimoyas  are ok but fruits of dream  got effected badly,now they r black... Though leaves are ok.. other atemoyas lost leaves too.


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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2017, 06:42:23 PM »
Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be


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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2017, 08:02:20 PM »
Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be

scions will be available in March

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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2017, 09:27:27 AM »
Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be

scions will be available in March
That'll be great!  Thanks, Frank.
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Re: Dream Atemoya or Dream Cherimoya? Which is it?
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2017, 01:23:27 PM »
Are there any of the AS for sale or going to be

scions will be available in March
That'll be great!  Thanks, Frank.

John as I recall you had an issue with dream it probably was on the wrong rootstock have some one graft Arka sahan on cherimoya first or atemoya rootstock not on the cheap pond apple

 

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