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Hi,there
I looking for Mesona chinensis and Tiliacora triandra seeds.

they are not fruits. but It can make a great combination with fruit desserts.
boil them, then strain and cool, become organic jelly. :D

if you know shop of handling those or can sell those
please tell me.

Best regards
thanks

Mesona chinensis

Mesona chinensis Jelly

Tiliacora triandra

Tiliacora triandra jelly


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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2013, 09:15:33 PM »
hikoku, Tiliacora triandra is the yanang leaf of loas and isaan and is used mostly in bamboo curries and several other recipes.Most plants cannot be used for jelly and it is not a true jelly plant.The Mesona is a true jelly plant rather like a mint.The other you should seek is the green grass jelly vine Cyclea barbata which many say is the best jelly plant.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2013, 11:33:28 PM »
Great thread. I'm looking for jelly plants too. So far I only have konjac. I'll look for these species.

I only see the powder sold in markets with Vietnamese instructions.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2013, 11:47:04 PM by fyliu »

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2013, 11:50:21 PM »
Thanks Hikoku & Mike.  I wasn't familiar with these plants but they sound like a good addition -- sounds like you could make some really interesting fruit gels with them.  I would be interested as well if anyone has a source.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 04:15:40 AM »
I have the Tiliacora triandra of the standard yanang type that is not used for grass jelly.I also have a Cyclea barbata vine climbing on my fence.Neither have produced seeds yet but have flowered a few times.With Cyclea you boil the leaves and leave the jelly to set.It is popular in some asian desserts especially when mixed with coconut milk and juices.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 02:01:22 PM »
Thanks all :D

I will searching those and Cyclea barbata seeds
I have not found those yet ,but I do not give up

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 06:37:17 PM »
I will let you know if my ones set seeds from the flowers.Mesona should be easy to get from Taiwan and Sthn China.It is sometimes called black grass jelly.If you get the Tiliacora make sure it is in fact the variety which allows jelly to be made from the leaves rather than the common type that does not.

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 10:25:09 PM »
There's also the creeping jelly fig in Taiwan that people immerse the seeds in water and jelly can be strained out using a cheesecloth. One kind works with cold water, the more common one requires boiling. It's called aiyu jelly.

I just want to post this again in case anyone can find a source for the seeds.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 11:30:43 PM »
There's also the creeping jelly fig in Taiwan that people immerse the seeds in water and jelly can be strained out using a cheesecloth. One kind works with cold water, the more common one requires boiling. It's called aiyu jelly.

I just want to post this again in case anyone can find a source for the seeds.


I know it.
It is Ficus pumila var. awkeotsang
Cultivation is easy.
but need male and female vine.

I will try to plant seeds for cooking
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E7%BE%8E%E9%A3%9F%E5%90%8C%E6%BA%90-%E5%8F%B0%E6%B9%BE%E7%94%A3-%E6%84%9B%E7%8E%89%E5%AD%90-30g-%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%94%E4%BB%98/dp/B005BCL49I
« Last Edit: March 27, 2013, 11:36:34 PM by hikoku »

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 11:54:55 PM »
Does anyone know for sure if a fig wasp is required for pollination for the F. pumila?  One source I looked at said it was required but I think that may have been Wikipedia (which always should be checked against a reputable source).

Thanks,
John

There's also the creeping jelly fig in Taiwan that people immerse the seeds in water and jelly can be strained out using a cheesecloth. One kind works with cold water, the more common one requires boiling. It's called aiyu jelly.

I just want to post this again in case anyone can find a source for the seeds.

I know it.
It is Ficus pumila var. awkeotsang
Cultivation is easy.
but need male and female vine.


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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2013, 03:21:44 AM »
It is Ficus pumila var. awkeotsang
Cultivation is easy.
but need male and female vine.
I think this is the one that will work without cooking. It's sold in Taiwan as packages of dried seeds. The jelly forms when the seeds are rehydrated. My Taiwanese friend wasn't able to find it so maybe it's not very common in stores.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2013, 10:35:12 PM »
Ficus pumila var. awkeotsang seeds has arrived.


Let me try to propagate it.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2013, 01:03:57 PM »
Mesona chinensis Usually use the branch to breed , ;D
Do you want?
I can give to you  Mesona chinensis of branch.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2013, 01:36:12 PM »
Mesona chinensis Usually use the branch to breed , ;D
Do you want?
I can give to you  Mesona chinensis of branch.
jj

PM sent, please see it.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2013, 04:28:28 PM »
I'm interested in seeds and branches too. I'll have to see if there are rules about importing branches to California.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2013, 04:03:19 AM »
I just bought a pot of green jelly vine without its scientific name listed. They said it was for the Vietnamese sương sām. Supposedly there are 2 kinds to make the green jelly: furry/hairy/fuzzy leaves and the smooth leaves. The fuzzy leaves are thought to be better quality because the jelly is more chewy and doesn't leak water. I got the smooth leaf kind because they didn't carry the other. I'm working on obtaining the fuzzy kind from friends/family, but no luck so far.

Hikoku, when my smooth leaf plant have seeds, I'd love to do an exchange with you for the mesona chinensis...if we can figure out a way to send it to CA like fyliu said. Perhaps you can send the seeds then we can try to germinate it that way.

For others in SoCal, Sunshine nursery (LA) and La Thieu Nursery (OC) carry them for $15/pot.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2013, 04:10:25 AM by pFEEDme »

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2013, 04:30:32 AM »
The leaves should be heart shaped.I have the hairy leafed Cyclea barbata and it is covered in flowers now.I hope some fruit set.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2017, 02:30:13 AM »
Hello I am a new member to this site. I was looking for Ficus pumila var. awkeotsang to make Aiyu jelly dessert. Does anyone have this vine or know where to get a plant in the San Francisco bay area/Oakland. I would be happy to trade with anything I have that might be of interest to you (cuttings).

I read you were all discussing about other Jelly vines that you have. Does anyone have some cuttings they can spare? I'd love to try my hand at growing some of them.

Some things i have are:
Passiflora edulis- edible passion fruit/dark purple skin, orange flesh
Loquat (Golden Nugget)
White Sapote (Reinekie/commercial)
Paw Paw (unknown variety-very slow growing)
white fig
Chicago hardy fig
Brunsfelsia Nitidia
Osmanthus (Fudingzhu)- White flowers
Osmanthus Tthunbergii -orange  flowers   
Double Delight Rose -  (intense fragrance, white and reddish pink dual toned rose)
Pope John Paul White rose (intense frangrance)
Pure Perfume Rose (more like a shrub rose, fragrant)
Just Joey Rose (light pinkish/salmon color, fragrant)
ChangShou (Fukushu) Kumquat - large kumquats (golf ball sized) with dimple at base, tart flesh.
Akebia quinata,- Chocolate vine
Holboellia coriacea 'Cathedral Gem'
Holboellia latifolia
Beautiful Lychee
nazemetz pineapple guava
Rose apple - Syzygium jambos
Curry leaf tree
Persian Lime (used for sore throat by Persians, tastes like a non acidic orange, juicy, not too sweet)
Avocado (not sure if its Mexicola grande or Stuart)
Michelia alba (White Flowers)
Michelia champaca (yellow flowers)
Dragon Fruit vine: Red, Pink, white varieites.
Finger Lime (green/yellow flesh variety)
UFO Peach tree
Toona Sinensis tree-Chinese mahogany


« Last Edit: January 23, 2017, 04:08:28 AM by Michellebell »
I'm very happy to share cuttings of plants I have. Just ask, if I have enough material to spare I'm happy to send to you.

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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2017, 07:04:29 AM »
Great thread. I'm looking for jelly plants too. So far I only have konjac. I'll look for these species.

I only see the powder sold in markets with Vietnamese instructions.

Fyliu , I have a ton of these green jelly vine. They are easily grown . Just stick 1'  cutting in potting soil and they will grow . Just keep them moist. You have any dragonfruit cutting you want to trade . I can send you as much as you like . Here a picture of them in back ground.

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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2017, 07:13:36 AM »
Great thread. I'm looking for jelly plants too. So far I only have konjac. I'll look for these species.

I only see the powder sold in markets with Vietnamese instructions.

Fyliu , I have a ton of these green jelly vine. They are easily grown . Just stick 1'  cutting in potting soil and they will grow . Just keep them moist. You have any dragonfruit cutting you want to trade . I can send you as much as you like . Here a picture of them in back ground. My wife make the green jelly all the time.


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Re: WANTED ::Jello Plants:: Mesona chinensis / Tiliacora triandra
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 12:37:15 AM »
Great thread. I'm looking for jelly plants too. So far I only have konjac. I'll look for these species.

I only see the powder sold in markets with Vietnamese instructions.

Fyliu , I have a ton of these green jelly vine. They are easily grown . Just stick 1'  cutting in potting soil and they will grow . Just keep them moist. You have any dragonfruit cutting you want to trade . I can send you as much as you like . Here a picture of them in back ground. My wife make the green jelly all the time.

Argh, dragonfruits are so heavy. I'll PM you what I have. I had a couple dozen at one point and then moved on to other fruits.

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2017, 03:03:22 AM »
That vine in the pic could be cyclea but it seems very vigorous.Are the fruit about 6mm white spheres and hang in clusters? Foliage should be heart shaped and hairy. From what I can figure mesona which is mint like and cyclea that is a gracile vine make the best jellies and are the most prized. Common names can be confusing but they are the grass jelly herb and grass jelly vine respectively.

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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2017, 07:26:56 PM »
If you make it right the sương sām will come out thick and chew.


I just bought a pot of green jelly vine without its scientific name listed. They said it was for the Vietnamese sương sām. Supposedly there are 2 kinds to make the green jelly: furry/hairy/fuzzy leaves and the smooth leaves. The fuzzy leaves are thought to be better quality because the jelly is more chewy and doesn't leak water. I got the smooth leaf kind because they didn't carry the other. I'm working on obtaining the fuzzy kind from friends/family, but no luck so far.

Hikoku, when my smooth leaf plant have seeds, I'd love to do an exchange with you for the mesona chinensis...if we can figure out a way to send it to CA like fyliu said. Perhaps you can send the seeds then we can try to germinate it that way.



For others in SoCal, Sunshine nursery (LA) and La Thieu Nursery (OC) carry them for $15/pot.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2017, 07:36:25 PM by khoi1976 »

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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2017, 07:39:06 PM »

These are the heart shape Tiliacora triandra or sương sām. During the spring the blooms with tiny cluster of white flower.


That vine in the pic could be cyclea but it seems very vigorous.Are the fruit about 6mm white spheres and hang in clusters? Foliage should be heart shaped and hairy. From what I can figure mesona which is mint like and cyclea that is a gracile vine make the best jellies and are the most prized. Common names can be confusing but they are the grass jelly herb and grass jelly vine respectively.

 

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