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Garcinia gardneriana
« on: August 02, 2012, 07:58:25 PM »
Who else is growing this one ? Is one of my slowest growing Garcinias .
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 09:21:24 PM »
Hi Luc,

I have it. Actually mine is not that slow growing. But if I recall correctly, it did grow rather slowly when it was younger. How old is yours?

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2012, 11:51:20 AM »
6 years old ( seeds collected in Brazil in November 2006 ) between 50 and 60 cm tall now . The tree I got them from was only about 2 meters tall .
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2012, 02:05:05 PM »
Luc,
I grow them I find them to be sloooow, specially the first few years!  One new leaf now and then!  I also grow bacupari miudo (garcinia brasiliensis) and this one is not in a hurry, at all!  Extra sloooooooooooooow in the juvenile stage!  However, when they become adult, it is everbearing.  My friend has a tree and every time I see it, it has flowers and ripe fruit hanging all year around, here in Fort Myers.

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 06:06:30 PM »
Luc,
I grow them I find them to be sloooow, specially the first few years!  One new leaf now and then!  I also grow bacupari miudo (garcinia brasiliensis) and this one is not in a hurry, at all!  Extra sloooooooooooooow in the juvenile stage!  However, when they become adult, it is everbearing.  My friend has a tree and every time I see it, it has flowers and ripe fruit hanging all year around, here in Fort Myers.

And some people are complaining about mangosteen !!!
Yes the G. brasiliensis is a wonderful small tree , I wait till the fruit turns orange to eat them , sweet lemony taste.
Today I wanted to take pictures of some other Garcinias to post to the forum ( cochichinensis etc... ) but it started to rain by the bucket..
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 09:32:59 PM »
Luc,
When they turn orange, they are nice sweet and tart.  I really enjoy them.  I went to take a look at my g. gardnerianas and they are from April of 2010.  They get plenty of water, food, and care.  The biggest one is not even a foot tall!  They should be called garcinias slownianas! 

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 08:36:06 AM »
Hi Luc,

Mine is about 1 meter tall with lots of branching, and about 4 years old. It's been in full sun for a few years now.

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 11:25:39 AM »
I've noticed, that some (young) plants do not grow a single inch, or grow very slow, if they don't get enough sun. Maybe this could be the case with this garcinia??

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 01:30:30 PM »
I've noticed, that some (young) plants do not grow a single inch, or grow very slow, if they don't get enough sun. Maybe this could be the case with this garcinia??


You may have something there Felipe , mine has a lot of shade , I will have to prune some trees to give it more light .
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 02:48:36 PM »

   
  I would take extreme care in exposing Garcinias to sunlight. They get burned very easily, stunting them
  even further.

  Another explanation for slow initial growth is the limited root system. They seem to have few
  lateral feeding roots while small. Maybe they need time to develop a root system.

  In my case, achachairu and Luc's garcinias seem to respond to regular applications of chelated minor elements.   
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 04:50:17 PM »
Felipe and Luc,
I am not sure about the sun theory.  My trees get plenty of sun.  I would go for the root development theory.  It seems like after 2 to 3 years they get out of their juvenile stage and start growing. 

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 05:09:23 PM »
Felipe and Luc,
I am not sure about the sun theory.  My trees get plenty of sun.  I would go for the root development theory.  It seems like after 2 to 3 years they get out of their juvenile stage and start growing.

All my other Garcinias are basically in full sun even the mangosteens and are doing really well.
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 06:05:56 PM »
Felipe and Luc,
I am not sure about the sun theory.  My trees get plenty of sun.  I would go for the root development theory.  It seems like after 2 to 3 years they get out of their juvenile stage and start growing.

All my other Garcinias are basically in full sun even the mangosteens and are doing really well.

It's going to depend on your climate, amount of cloud cover, intensity of sun, amount of humidity. Here mangosteens grow a whole lot faster if they are in partial shade till they are 4-5 feet tall. Most old world garcinias like partial shade when small and are very slow growers due to very weak root systems with very little lateral root development. Some of new world rheedias, like achachairu and luc's mystery plant, are very different, and can go in full sun a lot faster and also grow a lot faster.
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 06:20:12 PM »
 
 Here, the equation below applies...

 HOT (+35C) + DRY AIR + SUN = Burnt Garcinias...
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 06:31:19 PM »

 Here, the equation below applies...

 HOT (+35C) + DRY AIR + SUN = Burnt Garcinias...

Mangosteen can take up to 100F (38C), so that's not the problem in the equation. It's the lack of humidity and perhaps also intensity of UV radiation that are the problems with burnt leaves. At very extreme northern latitudes you also have much longer days during summer.
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2012, 10:08:49 PM »
Hi siafu,

I actually sunburned lots of leaves because I rushed to get my G. gardneriana into the sun. I know better but sometimes I don't think.

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2015, 10:55:56 PM »
plant i got labeled as G. gardneriana...I was worried it's a mislabeled G. intermedia...but the shape is a bit different...I'm still hopeful!




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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2015, 11:02:37 PM »
I have 4 lots  of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large  leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know  if there actually  is a large and small leafed form of this species?

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2015, 11:14:43 PM »
I have 4 lots  of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large  leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know  if there actually  is a large and small leafed form of this species?

it wouldnt surprise me if there are several species being called G gardneriana...but to make things more confusing, there could also be several varieties of G. gardneriana

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2015, 09:18:36 AM »
I was searching on the internet, how to speed up my Garcinias,especially Mangosteen, and one source recommended putting Arbuscular Mycorrhizae into the root zone. To me this makes sense and I have already started doing it when I left India. I will know the result when I return in May.

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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2015, 11:35:27 AM »
My last post about the G. gardneriana was August 2012 , since then the tree has more than doubled in size , as of yesterday close to 1.20 meter . Another ' Brazilian Mystery Garcinia ' growing next to it is close to 5 meters and flowered last year , no fruit set . Crossing my fingers for this year .
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2015, 09:31:03 PM »
I have four trees from seeds from Whitman.  They must be 8-9 years old by now. I have not had a single blossom yet. They grow in dappled shade. Root systems are smaller than one would expect from the size above ground. They are in pots and go into the greenhouse when temps fall.
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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2015, 10:52:19 PM »
ok now i'm convinced this tree is different than me G. intermedia.

the fruit had a different shape...and is larger

so my only guess now is gardneriana (as it was originally labeled)







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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2015, 02:50:31 PM »
definitely not the same as G. intermedia, but very similar...this fruit is larger, and sweeter..with more pulp to eat.

maybe the best garcinia fruit I've tasted so far. (but my experience is limited to only a few species...G. aristata, G. livingstonei, G. xanthochymus, G. intermedia, G. mangostana [imported], and Mammea americana)














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Re: Garcinia gardneriana
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2015, 03:19:16 PM »
ok now i'm convinced this tree is different than me G. intermedia.

the fruit had a different shape...and is larger

so my only guess now is gardneriana (as it was originally labeled)







I'm not so sure about the larger......at least not larger than mine as best I can tell from the photo.  But, definitely different shape than intermedia.
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