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Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« on: August 03, 2012, 02:32:58 AM »



How do I know what is a canistel and what is the real ross sapote? There are alot of variations in round ones with size,skin color,flesh moisture,flesh color and seed number all seemingly different in ones I see.Are there half way ones ......ross canistels perhaps?

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2012, 04:17:07 AM »
On the tree it's very easy to tell ross sapote apart from canistel because ross sapote fruits in bunches, canistel fruits singly. Also when ross sapote fruits are unripe they have strong longitudunal striping. Once they ripen up striping is still there but more faded. You can also see some longitudunal ridges on the fruits. Ross sapote fruits tend to be smaller, more flattened in shape than most canistels. Here is a photo of some ripe ross sapotes:
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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2012, 04:37:30 AM »
Thanks Oscar now I have something to hang it on.A few in the stall apparently off the same tree had those ridges so it may be a part Ross.My Ross in the yard has its first flowers on one branch they are a bit bunchy with 2 flowers coming out of each node.On the second flowering branch they are sparsely spread along it in singles.I think it was Adam who said the picture didn't look like the usual Ross.I suspect they are not pure Ross's here.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2012, 05:15:08 AM »
 Hi,

I have a canistel that fruited in bunches.
It is a canistel for sure because the fruits are a bit curved and pointed.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 05:20:38 AM »
saifu that is right they were not flattened on the bottom, thanks for the certainty.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 10:29:03 PM »
'Trompo' Canistel often fruits in bunches.
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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2012, 09:23:04 PM »



The common supermarket canistel (sold as yellow sapote) in NQ I am told is a fairchild but which of the 2 I don't know.I picked up this 1 lber today and hope it has rich, sweet and moist flesh like a good canistel should.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 03:42:43 AM »



Sorry about the bad picture but my rosssapote has its first flowers.They are sparsely spread and back along twigs from the growing tips.About half are singles and the other half have 2 flowers coming from the one point.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2012, 10:36:56 AM »
Are the seeds between the two distinguishable?

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2012, 10:58:47 AM »
They do look the same but the Canistel seed ( mine anyway ) are larger - more elongated
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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2012, 03:36:36 PM »
The 'definate canistel' in the initial picture had small squat seeds just like the ross sapotes in Oscars' photo.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2012, 11:18:39 PM »
Are the seeds between the two distinguishable?

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Smaller ross sapote fruits = smaller seeds. But they look the same.
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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2012, 12:03:57 PM »



Oscar that is usually the case with larger canistels having larger seeds.The small, thin,elongated rib necked canistel has long large seeds.The smaller, squat seeds on the left are from a large round 'definate canistel' of the type pictured below and look the same as ross sapote to me.The very large smooth and clean skinned canistel types have seeds that are larger and more elongate again than both of these.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2012, 06:14:48 PM »
Mike, there is a propper Ross in the BG here. I'll try to stop in this afternoon on my way home or tomorrow and take a pic. I find them easily distinguishable when compared side by side.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 02:34:08 AM »





I have to admit to being a dummy when looking at canistel seeds.The giant single seeded ones have seeds that look like mameys to me, and the small seeded round types with 2 or 3 seeds have them that look like ross sapotes to me.These are just 3 types from the last week or so let alone the rest.



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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2012, 04:54:35 AM »
Mike, the spindle type canistel, especailly very large ones, can have seeds that look in shape like that of mamey sapote. The difference is that the hilum on the mamey is usually narrower than the camistel. Also the mamey seed is usually darker brown than the canistel. Don't have photo of just these 2 seeds side by side, but you can get an idea of color difference here:
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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2012, 05:04:13 AM »
Thanks Oscar and great picture.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2012, 05:05:26 AM »
here is the 'ross' from the BG here. It actually has an impressed end on most fruit, like a flat peach.



This is a well under ripe one a bat knocked down.






Sorry for the crappy pics, but I only had the iPhone

here is the comparison with an unripe 'Aurea'




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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2012, 05:26:27 AM »



Thanks for the pix BMc I am a slow learner but I get it now.In the picture is the common ones around that look like aurea,trompo etc that I have in the kitchen.The round one was better and moister by the way.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2012, 03:57:32 AM »



I am used to seeing canistels with one or 2 seeds inside.A work colleague brought some in from their very productive tree today and all have 4 seeds and are extra tasty.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2012, 03:59:15 AM »



Here is a better photo

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2012, 08:03:43 PM »



Here is a better photo


Very cool. Most I have seen is two seeds. Is it from a named cultivar or was it from a seedling tree?

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2012, 08:12:19 PM »
M, it is from a seedling tree that was there when the people moved in.The flesh seems as good to me as the best named varieties being a little sweeter and moister than a Ross.

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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2012, 10:33:52 PM »
Seedy fruits are often the tastier ones.
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Re: Ross Sapote or Canistel?
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2012, 08:39:52 PM »
Mike, I should also let you know that bats really love the fruits of Ross Sapote. They favour it over any of the otehr canistels, and most other fruit trees. Just a word of warning.

 

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