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Mango sport
« on: July 05, 2017, 02:55:49 PM »
How common is this in the mango world?
Here is a sport of LZ which I named mango Naranja. This was grafted on Manila and ataulfo off that LZ branch



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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2017, 03:03:10 PM »
Nice. Flavor profile?

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2017, 03:12:55 PM »
Here is a sport of LZ which I named mango Naranja.

Mango Tetera or Mango Zarcillo would be quite descriptive as well!  :D
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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2017, 03:16:43 PM »
Nice. Flavor profile?

Rich Citrusy flavor a bit chalky fiberless..,,do a forum search on LZ Mutant from a few years ago
Medium to vigorous grower
disease resistant powdery mildew
Does not drop or split
Well adapted to our climate and rootstock


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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2017, 05:42:07 PM »
I think I took my chance and grafted it year ago, not sure if tags got washed out. I do know where all LZ grafts went though.

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2017, 05:56:20 PM »
Never seen this "fishing hook" on LZ, but it's popular on Lancetilla fruits.

Btw, JF -- last week I posted the pic of your very productive Edward grafted on Manila with question about the fruits don't look like normal Edward at this young stage. Would your kindly help to answer the mystery?

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2017, 11:58:22 PM »
Never seen this "fishing hook" on LZ, but it's popular on Lancetilla fruits.

Btw, JF -- last week I posted the pic of your very productive Edward grafted on Manila with question about the fruits don't look like normal Edward at this young stage. Would your kindly help to answer the mystery?

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what edward pix ?can you please repost on this thread?

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2017, 02:26:35 PM »
Hi JF, here is the post that you shown the pic of the Edward on Manila fruits:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20139.0

and the Edward on Manila rootstock pix.



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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2017, 05:20:26 PM »
Hi JF, here is the post that you shown the pic of the Edward on Manila fruits:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20139.0

and the Edward on Manila rootstock pix.



The tree is not mine but scions came from the  edward tree of the late Eunice Messner. I have to take pix of Ed and mine Edward again this year.


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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2017, 08:56:14 PM »
Yeah, all Edward fruits I saw had a stocky rounder shape than in the pix, and  fruits 100% green at this young stage.

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2017, 08:57:54 PM »
LZ vs Mutant(LZ)


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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2017, 10:11:50 PM »
The Alfonso looking mango is from a branch of my LZ
It has been grafted in multiple trees in different locations in SoCal
The fruits you see is from a graft I made in Santa Ana Ca.
Shape
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Taste
LZ has a sport

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2017, 03:48:36 PM »
Dude!  This is awesome.  Keen to hear how its flavor profile develops on maturity.nnthe chalkiness suggests....promise.

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2017, 09:51:18 PM »
Dude!  This is awesome.  Keen to hear how its flavor profile develops on maturity.nnthe chalkiness suggests....promise.


Yes I will but there is a link from two years ago when I first notice this LZ bud sport. Not phenotypical differences or a LZ runt as Sheehan and Simon suggested
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17286.0
I'm working on a Harvest moon bud sport




« Last Edit: September 07, 2017, 10:03:41 PM by JF »

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2017, 05:38:18 PM »
Frank, those look very different than my LZ nubbins so you may or may not have a sport. Mine are smaller and have very prominent lenticels. I'll post a picture of mine later when I get home. I know mine are not a sport because they have atrophied seeds and are probably caused by incomplete pollination.

I thought yours also had prominent lenticels? Yours also appear to be much larger than mine and yours also may have fully formed seeds which is great because it should be polyembryonic and you can get more clones of this mango simply by propogating the seeds. Please keep us updated.

I believe I posted somewhere on this forum about horizontal gene transfer from the graft union. All this grafting that we have been doing can incorporate new genes into the scion and vice versa.

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2017, 06:27:52 PM »
I linked your original thread. http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17286.0

My nubbins look similar to the original LZ sport that you posted but different from your latest pictures. Perhaps the weather or bioburden affects the pollen or ovaries which causes the different shapes? I don't know without sequencing the genes.

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2017, 08:50:50 PM »
Simon, this time you are right.Excellent chalky sweet taste brix 23.  Full seed this is a new sport variety fully develop seed. I will germinate it and name it Naranja.





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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2017, 10:38:13 PM »
That's awesome, I love the color of the flesh. I love all the descendants from the PPK lineage. Keep up the good growing Frank!

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2017, 11:18:45 PM »
I linked your original thread. http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17286.0

My nubbins look similar to the original LZ sport that you posted but different from your latest pictures. Perhaps the weather or bioburden affects the pollen or ovaries which causes the different shapes? I don't know without sequencing the genes.

Simon


Who has access to gene sequencing technology?

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2017, 01:17:56 AM »
I'm working at a different biotech company now so I don't have access to the DNA extraction kits nor sequencing equipment anymore. Even if the sample was sequenced, the majority of the genes would be identical because it came from the original Lemon Zest.

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2017, 11:45:49 AM »
That's too bad Simon I would've love to see the DNA results. So what you are saying is I should get multiple shoot from the seed??

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2017, 05:11:59 PM »
I'm working at a different biotech company now so I don't have access to the DNA extraction kits nor sequencing equipment anymore. Even if the sample was sequenced, the majority of the genes would be identical because it came from the original Lemon Zest.

Simon

Got it. On a tomato forum, one person said sequencing tech is 'soon' to be affordable for the home.  What do you think?  I note Fairchild uses DNA tech at Coral Gables.  As a tomatoe and pumpkin breeder, it would certainly be of interest.

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Re: Mango sport
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2017, 08:50:42 PM »
Yes, since the original bud wood is from the polyembryonic Lemon Zest, the resulting seedling should be polyembryonic with the caveat that polyembryonic seeds sometimes has a single seedling coming up.

Sequencing is getting cheaper every year and there are small sequencing machines that are very small and portable such as Illuminas products. Sequencing is the easy and cheaper part of the equation. It's the DNA extraction that is more laborious and expensive. For DNA extraction and sequencing, efficiency of scale is the name of the game.

To sequence one sample can cost several hundred dollars but if you run thousands of samples, the cost can be as low as $10 a sample or less.

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