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Ilya11

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #75 on: October 25, 2018, 04:28:40 PM »
No, it comes directly from Japan, as well as Oni  and Lion Yuzu, look at French forums for more information.
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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #76 on: October 25, 2018, 05:16:35 PM »
Some people in Europe do have it, it is larger than an average seeded Yuzu and of course since there are no seeds,it has more juice.
It is not a Yuzu hybrid.
Yes but infortunately it's the best kept citrus secret...  ::)

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #77 on: October 25, 2018, 05:58:50 PM »
Unfortunately the Japanese strain of CTV was brought with it.


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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2018, 02:21:59 AM »
In fact that scientific article about comparison is quite a nonsense, it is hard to compare yuzu, Ilya correctly used word "average", yuzu do not grow true from seed and there are loads of cultivars, with great variation of size. Yuzu Kito is considered the biggest one, but there are cultivars with half of his size. The diameter of yuzu varies from 4 to 10 cm, depending from cultivar.
Here is yuzu which came from former USSR to former Czechoslovakia selection under name  yuzu no. 1 -754.
It has very small fruits and lot of seeds, but juice has great taste, sweet/sour mix of lemon and mandarin.




In picture from net you can see comparsion of Hana yuzu 花ユズ, Hong yuzu aka yuzu kit 本柚子 and Shishi yuzu 獅子柚子 (citrus pseudogulgul).


« Last Edit: October 26, 2018, 02:28:32 AM by Radoslav »

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #80 on: October 26, 2018, 03:04:33 AM »
In fact that scientific article about comparison is quite a nonsense, it is hard to compare yuzu.

I don't belive the article is a nonsense. It refers to Japanese yuzu, what is grown in Japan. Of course from yuzu there are many variations, but few cultivars. So what I looked is strictly Citrus junos. Sure if people start to grow it from seeds after 20 years we would have many variations. The seeded yuzu n Japan is mostly grafted with variations based on location.
There is one paper with yuzu and it's hybrids with DNA markers whuch list most used cultivars.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #81 on: October 26, 2018, 03:25:48 AM »
In fact that scientific article about comparison is quite a nonsense, it is hard to compare yuzu.

I don't belive the article is a nonsense. It refers to Japanese yuzu, what is grown in Japan. Of course from yuzu there are many variations, but few cultivars. So what I looked is strictly Citrus junos. Sure if people start to grow it from seeds after 20 years we would have many variations. The seeded yuzu n Japan is mostly grafted with variations based on location.
There is one paper with yuzu and it's hybrids with DNA markers whuch list most used cultivars.

As I wrotte before :
3. each village has usually its own cultivar.
Lines are called kei

Important selections are:


1.木頭系(きとう)Kitō-kei (kitō)
2.海野系(かいの)Umino-kei
3.早生種の「山根系」Yamane-kei  やまねゆず(はやしげる)Yamane yuzu (haya Shigeru)
The Yamane - kei was selected in Mr. Yamane 's garden in Anan City.  Fruits are large  and flat.
山根(やまね)
4.平の香(たいらのかおり)Hira no ka (tai-ra no Kaori)
seedling which seems to originate from Yuzu in Kinno village, Naka gun, Tokushima prefecture.
The shape of the fruit is somewhat height compared with the conventional type of Yuzu, and the concave ring around the fruit part protrudes considerably in a disk shape, the peel is yellow orange thick , the fragrance is strong.
5.物部系  Monobe-kei
6.種なしの (多田錦(ただにしき)) Tada nishiki

In Japan, there is a strong tradition to grow citrus from seeds.
For example parents sow the seed in backyard, when child is born and they know that when the child become adult, the tree will start to fruit.
For example, in Kochi prefecture you have at least 7 different yuzu (citrus junos) cultivars cited in scientific work marked as Kochi 1 .... 7.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #83 on: October 26, 2018, 08:23:06 AM »
Tada Nishiki fruit in Europe
https://web.archive.org/web/20160703172020/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog/2014/12/02/19-Tadanishiki-yuzu-sans-p%c3%a9pin.aspx

someone in France with a seedless Yuzu
http://www.forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=460&hilit=tada&start=50
Yes but no one is selling plants of it...  :-[


The French somehow are not too eager to share their rare citrus. Either I get a 'no' or no answer at all. Of course, not all are like that but If I had the seedless yuzu I would be sharing it all over Europe - the more the merrier.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #84 on: October 26, 2018, 09:07:42 AM »
But probably you are not eager to get Japanese tristeza  virus with it😊
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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #85 on: October 26, 2018, 09:10:06 AM »
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The French somehow are not too eager to share their rare citrus. Either I get a 'no' or no answer at all. Of course, not all are like that but If I had the seedless yuzu I would be sharing it all over Europe - the more the merrier.

I am French and I will share it if I had :).

I have a project of Yuzu orchard (for fruit production) but I had lost interest in Tada Nishiki because considered less good although it is more juicy by contrast.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #86 on: October 26, 2018, 11:09:27 AM »
I did not mean to offend any French , we are good neighbours ;) :). And of course, I do not want tristeza.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2018, 11:53:31 AM »
Florian,
In the case of this variety, it is a Belgian problem, not French😈
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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2018, 01:36:12 PM »
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The French somehow are not too eager to share their rare citrus. Either I get a 'no' or no answer at all. Of course, not all are like that but If I had the seedless yuzu I would be sharing it all over Europe - the more the merrier.

I am French and I will share it if I had :).

I have a project of Yuzu orchard (for fruit production) but I had lost interest in Tada Nishiki because considered less good although it is more juicy by contrast.
I just like to have one tree for the rarity of it not any business thing...

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #89 on: October 27, 2018, 05:23:00 PM »
The fragrance of Yuzu for me smells like a mixture of Seville Orange (C. aurantium) and lemon, with something a little more pungent/deep about it. The fragrance is mostly in the rind. There's something reminiscent in it of Satsuma mandarin (a slight aromatic terpene or pine-needle like element). The inside has just a little bit of grapefruit in it, with a barely perceptible hint of guava.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #90 on: November 08, 2018, 06:44:49 PM »
I received my Yuzu. Hope it's a good variety.




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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #91 on: November 08, 2018, 09:38:54 PM »
Lebmung your Yuzu tree has SERIOUS thorns.  It must have been grown from seed.
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« Reply #92 on: November 08, 2018, 10:33:50 PM »
Lebmung your Yuzu tree has so SERIOUS thorns.  It must have been grown from seed.
New growth on Yuzu, especially young plants, have lots of big thorns. One of my trees (small to medium sized) has thorns that are more than 2 inches long.
These things could pop a car tire.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #93 on: November 09, 2018, 06:58:21 AM »
I dont have yuzu, mine froze to death the first winter, but my nansho dai dai had long thorns like that. It was from seed, not grafted.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #94 on: November 09, 2018, 07:12:45 AM »
As Millet correctly stated, big thorns are typical for juvenile non fruiting citruses.
I know only few cultivars, which have big thorns and fruits, one is Mandared.

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #95 on: November 09, 2018, 08:52:36 AM »
Lebmung your Yuzu tree has so SERIOUS thorns.  It must have been grown from seed.

The plant is grafted. I bought it from a reputable seller, which confirmed me the plant is original and I can expect flowers next year.
Yuzu started to be very popular in Europe, there is one plantation with 8000 plants in Spain, established 3-4 years ago. They claim that Japanese horticulturists visited and tasted the fruit and the quality is the same like in Japan.
And yes the thorns are very big, like 8 cm, a strong nail.
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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #96 on: November 09, 2018, 11:50:32 AM »
My smallest Yuzu, but large fruits, very small thorns




Ready for Yuzucello
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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #97 on: November 09, 2018, 03:26:31 PM »
Ilya11 is your Yuzu fruit shown above mostly juice or seeds?

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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #98 on: November 09, 2018, 04:58:52 PM »
Juice is also present, in a proportion  I would say 70:30 to the seed's volume


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Re: Yuzu... my new obsession!
« Reply #99 on: November 09, 2018, 05:52:08 PM »
Ilya, are these pictures from this season?
Your fruits are much ahead of mine.




 

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