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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2018, 12:19:42 PM »
Puck. No wonder my "Langra" in 9B flowered so early being barely 2ft tall. It's a frickin Julie. I too bought from Guavaking on ebay. I have a Langra inground since 2014 from Zill (Fairchild extras 2013-2014) at 10B that I got fruit from already. I thought the leaves looked the same. ......Crap.
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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2018, 12:32:39 PM »
Puck. No wonder my "Langra" in 9B flowered so early being barely 2ft tall. It's a frickin Julie. I too bought from Guavaking on ebay. I have a Langra inground since 2014 from Zill (Fairchild extras 2013-2014) at 10B that I got fruit from already. I thought the leaves looked the same. ......Crap.

That Fairchild-extra would be “Langra Benarasi” which isn’t the yellow/green, oblong shaped Langra as known in India and Pakistan.

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2018, 01:33:35 PM »
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GuavaKing I believe . Ormond Beach. Selling 1 gallon trees from Zill as rare Indian varieties.

Check out what fell out of our “Langra” pot we got from him:




Not coincidentally the leaves looked like NDM #4 as well. I suspect the “Anwar Rataul “ we were sent is actually a Julie. Also a Banganpalli we got through him is clearly not a Banganapalli because it lacks the flat pointed leaves and thin stem.

Oh No , I recently bought 5 plants from them , if that is the case we need to create separate thread to warn other forms members about them

Still can’t believe someone openly sell fake

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2018, 02:07:52 PM »
Are we sure , that the seller is selling Zill mango as Pak/Indian mango

Don’t want to hurt someone business just on speculation

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2018, 02:13:11 PM »
I don't think anyone's certain yet and, personally, I am not willing to ruin someone's reputation based on rumor.  But we do need to know for sure.  And I'm fairly certain we will quite soon.
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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2018, 03:34:41 PM »
I’d also like to note that our “Langra” leaves and sap smell like Nam Doc Mai, in addition to having the NDM#4 tag fall out of the pot.

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2018, 03:56:05 PM »
I'm very concerned about the authenticity of the 11 plants I currently have in the ground from this vendor but I'm not going to light a torch and head off to the castle until I'm sure there's really a monster there.  I think the plan of action we discussed yesterday is best and if, as it appears, we've been defrauded, we can proceed to take action as a group.
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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2018, 04:42:09 PM »
I'm very concerned about the authenticity of the 11 plants I currently have in the ground from this vendor but I'm not going to light a torch and head off to the castle until I'm sure there's really a monster there.  I think the plan of action we discussed yesterday is best and if, as it appears, we've been defrauded, we can proceed to take action as a group.

I also purchased two trees from Ebay from same guy "Guavaking". I also spoke with him and believe it or not, I paid $60/tree including shipping. Now shipping alone to CA costed him about $30 (it was priority Mail) no flat rate. Now factor in 15% to Ebay and 3% to Paypal, total 18% fees, $11 approx. so shipping plus fees = $41. he make $19 gross, now factor in his cost on growing/seedling etc.

The guy sounded very genuine, and this is his hobby and not real business. Again, I never met this guy but my gutt feeling is that we got genuine plants. Time will tell when we fruit though.

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2018, 04:43:10 PM »
From what I gather from friends, a similar mystery exists for Florida's Son Pari and Langra Benarsi too.

Langra Benarasi for sure. However Sonpari appears to be the right one from photos from India.

My source who is at the heart of Sonpari Growing region, a good friend of mine who has mango orchards confirmed looking at fruit picture and pictures of Florida sonpari leaves to be vastly different than what he grows in India in Gujrat. He will send us closeup pics of fruit and leaves in Summer for us to see. what he described was that majority of leaves tend to bend in the middle of vein.

Below is a pic of the Son Pari grafted by Zills.





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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2018, 05:03:10 PM »
And, after selling the first tree or two via eBay, any other trees wanted, he declines your offer and contacts buyer outside of eBay and request that you pay him directly to his PayPal account, cutting eBay out of their percentage.


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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2018, 05:31:42 PM »
From what I gather from friends, a similar mystery exists for Florida's Son Pari and Langra Benarsi too.

Langra Benarasi for sure. However Sonpari appears to be the right one from photos from India.

My source who is at the heart of Sonpari Growing region, a good friend of mine who has mango orchards confirmed looking at fruit picture and pictures of Florida sonpari leaves to be vastly different than what he grows in India in Gujrat. He will send us closeup pics of fruit and leaves in Summer for us to see. what he described was that majority of leaves tend to bend in the middle of vein.

Below is a pic of the Son Pari grafted by Zills.



this was ID as fake and not sonpari by the grower in  India. yikes!

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2018, 08:14:11 PM »
Someone needs to go inspect the seller's operation. It shouldn't be hard to tell what is going on with a close inspection.
He is saying a 3 year old tree produces "hundreds of mangoes every year" which sounds pretty suspicious to me.

Plus the photo he uses for his Sindhri mango is ripped from somebody else for some reason.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/INDIAN-PAKSTANI-MANGO-TREE-SINDHRI-MANGO-GRAFTED-THE-BEST-MANGO-IN-THE-WORLD/122915530678?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44040%26meid%3D015700352de34bf88bf9b81a8f3deaa1%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112709675976&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

https://www.flickr.com/photos/11045662@N06/3284397492

In fact, out of the five I've checked all of his pictures have been ripped from one source or the other.
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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2018, 08:30:44 PM »
Lives in a gated community, can't get in.

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2018, 11:43:38 PM »
From what I gather from friends, a similar mystery exists for Florida's Son Pari and Langra Benarsi too.

Langra Benarasi for sure. However Sonpari appears to be the right one from photos from India.

My source who is at the heart of Sonpari Growing region, a good friend of mine who has mango orchards confirmed looking at fruit picture and pictures of Florida sonpari leaves to be vastly different than what he grows in India in Gujrat. He will send us closeup pics of fruit and leaves in Summer for us to see. what he described was that majority of leaves tend to bend in the middle of vein.

Below is a pic of the Son Pari grafted by Zills.



this was ID as fake and not sonpari by the grower in  India. yikes!
From what I gather from friends, a similar mystery exists for Florida's Son Pari and Langra Benarsi too.

Langra Benarasi for sure. However Sonpari appears to be the right one from photos from India.

My source who is at the heart of Sonpari Growing region, a good friend of mine who has mango orchards confirmed looking at fruit picture and pictures of Florida sonpari leaves to be vastly different than what he grows in India in Gujrat. He will send us closeup pics of fruit and leaves in Summer for us to see. what he described was that majority of leaves tend to bend in the middle of vein.

Below is a pic of the Son Pari grafted by Zills.






i wonder if the fake son pari is good?

so if this son pari is fake, what is the real variety  of this fake one?

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2018, 03:50:12 AM »
Got an idea , may be worthwhile to follow up

Senior member from this forum, living close to the buyer , can ask for walk-in tour for their nursery and business

They will get access to our community and we will get our authentication

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2018, 05:36:27 AM »
True Indian mangoes are round and small. I have seen and eaten a lot of them in the Philippines. They are good when eaten green.


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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2018, 06:54:18 AM »
The photo that Guavaking is using for "Langra"mango was ripped from a gardenweb thread about an unknown seedling:
To find source of photos save photo to computer, use Google image reverse search.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/INDIAN-PAKSTANI-MANGO-TREE-LANGRA-GRAFTED-THE-BEST-MANGO-IN-THE-WORLD/112709675976?hash=item1a3e052bc8:g:VnkAAOSwBcpZfedz

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2185649/seedling-mango-tree-success-in-jacksonville-fl




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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2018, 10:03:48 AM »
When asked for a photo of his “Banganpalli”, he supplied this:


This is clearly NOT Banganpalli. This is what Banganapalli looks like. Different, flatter leaf type and very thin stems:







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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2018, 11:14:12 AM »
True Indian mangoes are round and small. I have seen and eaten a lot of them in the Philippines. They are good when eaten green.

There are many indian/ pakkstan mango varieties.
And the ndian mangoes they call in the Philippines is actually Katchamita variety.

To this date, it os unclear where katchamita came from. There are rumors that the seedling came from india. Hence, getting the indian name.

If u want real Indian varieties get it from India/ Paki or someone thats legit.

So far a major Florida propagator sends fake indian varieties? Hmmm

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2018, 11:20:41 AM »
When asked for a photo of his “Banganpalli”, he supplied this:


This is clearly NOT Banganpalli. This is what Banganapalli looks like. Different, flatter leaf type and very thin stems:



I noticed the house in the background does not look like a typical house/farm in india.

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2018, 11:50:39 AM »
When asked for a photo of his “Banganpalli”, he supplied this:


This is clearly NOT Banganpalli. This is what Banganapalli looks like. Different, flatter leaf type and very thin stems:



I noticed the house in the background does not look like a typical house/farm in india.

This seller is located in Florida . But the tree clearly isn’t what he claims it to be.

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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2018, 02:56:34 PM »
True Indian mangoes are round and small. I have seen and eaten a lot of them in the Philippines. They are good when eaten green.

There are many indian/ pakkstan mango varieties.
And the ndian mangoes they call in the Philippines is actually Katchamita variety.

To this date, it os unclear where katchamita came from. There are rumors that the seedling came from india. Hence, getting the indian name.

If u want real Indian varieties get it from India/ Paki or someone thats legit.

So far a major Florida propagator sends fake indian varieties? Hmmm

Much easier said than done.  There is a an import ban on Mangifera species plants and budwood to the USA due to the possibility of introducing the seed weevil.
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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2018, 03:28:41 PM »
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Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2018, 03:33:20 PM »
Funny thing is that his listing is always for 1 plants per variety’, but magically they are never out of stock

Plus the pic provided for the budwood tree (now that we known is fake) , can’t produce that many budwood , plus there is no sign of budwood taken

Now getting more suspicious about his whole operation

 

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