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Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« on: September 14, 2012, 06:22:35 PM »
A few weeks ago I tasted the first fruits from my myrcianthes pungens (guabiju) and I'm happy to say they were quite good.  The tree was covered in blooms and only set 2 fruits but considering it was the first time and the tree is only about 3.5' tall, I was happy.  The fruits had a tough dark purple skin and golden flesh that separated easily from the skin and moderately well from the seed.  There was not a ton of flesh but the flesh was juicy and sweet with a touch of spice, maybe slight nutmeg in the finish? (my taste buds aren't the most delicate)  Hopefully as the tree gets bigger the fruits will get a little larger and a lot more of them.

Here is the fruit, sorry for the blur but beautiful DARK purple color.



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I have my fingers crossed for next year.
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« Last Edit: September 14, 2012, 06:38:23 PM by Ethan »

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens, first fruits
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2012, 06:27:48 PM »
Hi Ethan, that's good to hear, thanks for the report. I have a plant but is still very small, but doing great. It's good to know they fruit so small. I planted mine based on a report from Anestor in Brazil that told me it was one of his favorite fruits. This is a really good fruit for California as it is quite cold tolerant.
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2012, 06:43:34 PM »
That is double good news, both the cold tolerance and the fact that Ancestor enjoys them so much.  I could see eating handfuls of them easily.

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2012, 07:01:53 PM »
How old is your plant? Please take a photo of the plant if you get a chance. Thanks,
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2012, 07:16:21 PM »
One time, I identified I guabiju fruit in the Miami area.  The fruit is pretty good.  However, it is a small fruit and the tree can become quite big if not prunned.
 I would  use my real estate for a better cost/benefit fruit tree.  Guabiju is found in the south and southeast part of Brasil where the climate can get very cold during the Winter.
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2012, 08:20:36 PM »
Haven't had the pleasure of eating guabiju yet, but given its cold hardiness and periodic sudden blasts of cold in Florida that damage so many plants it's one i would definitely grow if i lived there, just because it's one you wouldn't have to baby. However i think it's even more appropriate in Southern California where winter weather kills so many tropicals.
BTW, this guabiju fruit is also found in northern Argentina and Uruguay, maybe also Paraguay?, not just Brazil. So it can definitely take frost.
I just planted a bunch of Hexachalamus edulis, ubajai, another one originating from similar areas. Also one i haven't tried yet. I noticed there was a tree of it in the Fullerton garden in California, but wasn't fruiting at the time. Have you tried this one Berto? How is it?
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2012, 08:34:49 PM »
Looks very interesting, would love to try to grow this one.
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2012, 08:42:22 PM »
ethan,

I was reviewing my hand book for the recently obsessed, and it showed this species as having glabrous leaves...with no fuzz...but the species I have on hand at my experiment station has tomentose leaves.

Which characteristic does your plant exhibit?

thanks in advance.

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2012, 09:25:09 PM »
Yes, I have tried this fruit.  I already wrote above about guabiju, "The fruit is pretty good"....

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2012, 09:33:51 PM »
Yes, I have tried this fruit.  I already wrote above about guabiju, "The fruit is pretty good"....

Yes Berto, but i was asking you about another fruit, ubajai, Hexachalamus edulis. Have you ever tasted that one? How about anyobdy else in this forum?
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2012, 09:58:34 PM »
Oooops, no I have tried ubajai/pessego do mato/ ivai; ibajai (eugenia myrcianthes/hexaclamys edulis).
My understanding is that this eugenia also falls into the category of acidic sweet eugenias like her cousin, eugenia neonitida (pitangatuba).

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2012, 10:53:50 AM »
Yes, I have tried this fruit.  I already wrote above about guabiju, "The fruit is pretty good"....

Yes Berto, but i was asking you about another fruit, ubajai, Hexachalamus edulis. Have you ever tasted that one? How about anyobdy else in this forum?

OK back from Europe , got a lot of catching up to do....

Oscar , I have the Hexaclamys edulis fruiting ( took about 7 years from seed ) I was sooooo disappointed .....has an almost disgusting taste , don't know how they came up with the " edulis "
I'll give it another fruiting season and a few more tasting opinions ....probably will get the axe...too bad good looking fruit though ...
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2012, 04:27:35 PM »
Thank you gentlemen for your kind words, after seeing pictures of mature trees I realize.....I need to move this thing. ::)  I wonder if it airlayers like jabo?

N/Z, mine came from Ben P. if not maybe and airlayer or seedling is in your future?

Adam, mine is smooth leaved (see pic).

I have hexachlamis edulis also, it is pretty hardy for CA.  No fruit or blooms yet so you have me hoping for seedling variation Luc, or at least fruit that gets better w/age.  Adam, the leaves on this are tomentose and a bit grayish if I remember?  I'll try to get a photo.

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2012, 05:09:52 PM »
thanks for pics and response Ethan

looks like I may have something different.

I will google search the name u suggested...sounds like it could be.
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2012, 05:25:45 PM »
No problem Adam.  I'll still try to get a close up photo of the H. edulis leaves to help w/the IDing.

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2012, 03:34:11 AM »
Yes, I have tried this fruit.  I already wrote above about guabiju, "The fruit is pretty good"....

Yes Berto, but i was asking you about another fruit, ubajai, Hexachalamus edulis. Have you ever tasted that one? How about anyobdy else in this forum?

OK back from Europe , got a lot of catching up to do....

Oscar , I have the Hexaclamys edulis fruiting ( took about 7 years from seed ) I was sooooo disappointed .....has an almost disgusting taste , don't know how they came up with the " edulis "
I'll give it another fruiting season and a few more tasting opinions ....probably will get the axe...too bad good looking fruit though ...

Oh Luc! Disgusting doesn't sound so appetizing.  ??? I heard ubajai was a bit sour, but nothing about it being disgusting.
Adam and Ethan yes the H. edulis has fuzzy and sivlery leaves.
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2012, 11:38:18 AM »
Here you go Adam or anyone else

Hexachlamis edulis leaves





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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2012, 01:31:47 PM »

Oh Luc! Disgusting doesn't sound so appetizing.   I heard ubajai was a bit sour, but nothing about it being disgusting.

Oscar , It has this taste , nothing to do with being sour , that my son and I really didn't like , my son was brought up in Mexico so his taste buds are different ( I think ) We both spit out the fruit....
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2012, 02:42:02 PM »
where did u source your seeds Ethan?

this looks almost identical to my E. myrcianthes, that I bought as an erroneously labeled E. koltzschiana from Excalibur.

this doesn't look like the plant I have labeled as Myrcianthes pungens.

Now I will have to upload pics of all of my Eugenias and this myrcianthes.

Let me see what I can whip up.

thank again Ethan

Here you go Adam or anyone else

Hexachlamis edulis leaves





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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2012, 03:34:40 PM »
Top leaf of Eugenia myrciathnes (mislabeled at plant sale as E. klotzschiana...maybe Hexachlamis edulis ? )
http://fruitingplants.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=37

Underside of leaf plant same as above
http://fruitingplants.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=38

top leaf, plant labeled as Myrcianthes pungens, but fuzzy?
http://fruitingplants.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=35

underside leaf, plant labeled as Myrcianthes pungens, but fuzzy?
http://fruitingplants.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=36

Top klotzschiana
http://fruitingplants.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=33

underside klotzschiana
http://fruitingplants.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=34

 new growth klotzschiana
http://fruitingplants.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=32

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2012, 04:47:05 PM »
Hi Ethan,
Your Guabijś tree looks spectacular 8) Them fruits remind me of a black plum with a caramel flesh...YUMMY ;D Most certainly this fruit is jam packed with antioxidants 8)

Thanks for sharing :)
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2012, 12:11:37 AM »
Nice Adam, Hexachlamis edulis and Eugenia myrcianthes must be synonyms, I wonder which is the official name?.  Your unknown certainly is not M. pungens unless it got the tomacco treatment (a la Simpsons).  An interesting puzzle.

Thank you Steven, certainly the smallest black plum I've seen :),  but a tasty fruit for sure.  I bet the skin has some serious goodness packed inside it, it was rough to eat though.

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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2012, 12:59:03 AM »
Nice Adam, Hexachlamis edulis and Eugenia myrcianthes must be synonyms, I wonder which is the official name?.  Your unknown certainly is not M. pungens unless it got the tomacco treatment (a la Simpsons).  An interesting puzzle.

Thank you Steven, certainly the smallest black plum I've seen :),  but a tasty fruit for sure.  I bet the skin has some serious goodness packed inside it, it was rough to eat though.

cheers,
-Ethan


Ethan, the accepted name and spelling is Hexachlamys edulis, Eugenia myrcianthes is a synonym, among some other synonyms for that plant. See here:
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-99020
BTW, i find this plantlist.org site useful. What it does is combine the taxonomical records of Kew Gardens together with those of Missouri Botanical Gardens (mobot), Between those 2 they have most plants covered.
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2012, 02:16:55 AM »

Oh Luc! Disgusting doesn't sound so appetizing.   I heard ubajai was a bit sour, but nothing about it being disgusting.

Oscar , It has this taste , nothing to do with being sour , that my son and I really didn't like , my son was brought up in Mexico so his taste buds are different ( I think ) We both spit out the fruit....


Luc, you should read this excellent article from Uruguay (in Spanish) before axing the ubajai:
http://www.guayubira.org.uy/monte/Ubajai.pdf
It explains that the fruit tastes sweet and agreeable, but that the smell of over ripe fruit can be nauseating or repulsive. So it's possible you just let them get over ripe. Apparently there are some trees also that produce fruits without any smell or less smell. It goes into a lot of detail on how to grow and procees the fruits, including smoothies and cheesecake. Also has lots of good photos.
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Re: Myrcianthes pungens (guabiju), first fruits
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2012, 03:14:24 AM »
Ethan, the accepted name and spelling is Hexachlamys edulis, Eugenia myrcianthes is a synonym, among some other synonyms for that plant. See here:
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-99020
BTW, i find this plantlist.org site useful. What it does is combine the taxonomical records of Kew Gardens together with those of Missouri Botanical Gardens (mobot), Between those 2 they have most plants covered.


Thank you for straightening that out Oscar.

 

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