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Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« on: March 10, 2018, 03:51:29 PM »
I was reading an IFAS paper on Atemoya in Florida http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg332.  The authors point out noted
 "Atemoya is not graft compatible with pond apple and therefore the use of an interstock is required"

I am trying Atemoya on pond apple and for now it looks like I have a couple of takes but I know they can still fail.
My question is, do any of you know what interstock works?
The authors used "49-11" which they described as " a 'Gefner' atemoya x A. reticulata hybrid"
Does anyone have scions of this hybrid?  or any tested interstock?

I intend to continue trying different atemoya on pond apple but I am open to try using this two step approach to get there.

I know there is a chart on the forum of graft compatibility and will be searching for it all afternoon :)

By the way, all is not lost.  After last years limited success, I started some cherimoya for root stock and some of my graft this year on 1 year old seedlings of cherimoya.

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 12:51:27 PM »
I was reading an IFAS paper on Atemoya in Florida http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg332.  The authors point out noted
 "Atemoya is not graft compatible with pond apple and therefore the use of an interstock is required"

I am trying Atemoya on pond apple and for now it looks like I have a couple of takes but I know they can still fail.
My question is, do any of you know what interstock works?
The authors used "49-11" which they described as " a 'Gefner' atemoya x A. reticulata hybrid"
Does anyone have scions of this hybrid?  or any tested interstock?

I intend to continue trying different atemoya on pond apple but I am open to try using this two step approach to get there.

I know there is a chart on the forum of graft compatibility and will be searching for it all afternoon :)

By the way, all is not lost.  After last years limited success, I started some cherimoya for root stock and some of my graft this year on 1 year old seedlings of cherimoya.

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Found the table
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16673.0

Thanks for the info. Very helpful. Now I understand why my atemoya scions never took on PApple. Right on. F.
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2018, 11:01:14 AM »
Why do you want to put atemoya on pond apple
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2018, 11:08:46 AM »
Why do you want to put atemoya on pond apple

Pond apple is capable of growing in a lot of environments that other annonas can't; it's a very resistant (particularly concerning flooding and salt)  rootstock, and a fast growing plant in general (to the point of being invasive in some places).  But the fruit quality is bottom-rung by annona standards.

Try to picture an Atemoya growing here:



Lots of people have been trying for years with little success to graft popular annonas like atemoya to A. glabra.  I find it rather exciting (even though it's not really applicable to me) that some people are finding ways to work around the graft incompatibility.  I wonder if interstocks might be a way to work around graft incompatibility between F. religiosa and F. carica...
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2018, 07:29:14 PM »
You are not going to grow atemoya in water like that on any rootstock. I graft  a lot of atemoya and have put them on. sugar apple ,atemoya, cherimoya and reticulata. If someone has a picture of one growing in water .I would like to see it
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2018, 07:44:01 PM »
I have some wet areas that are not very useful for anything but pond apple does well on.
I have tried a couple of cycles of direct grafting and have arrived at the same conclusion, it wont work with my type of pond apple.
The current graft looks like a successful take but start t die back.  This is why I am considering the interstock option to see if this can make the spots in my yard usable.

I like to try and half the fun is experimenting.  I also want some atemoya and the experiments are not exactly cheap :) so this go around I did a couple of grafts on some cherimoya seedlings I started last year.  Hope those stay.

Still interested in interstock if anyone has ideas and wood.

KarenRei, nice picture, tells my story though my wet areas are nothing close to whats in your picture.

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2018, 08:45:00 AM »
Try planting a lychee . My back field floods and is wet the lychee do fine
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2018, 08:33:56 PM »
I was reading an IFAS paper on Atemoya in Florida http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg332.  The authors point out noted
 "Atemoya is not graft compatible with pond apple and therefore the use of an interstock is required"

I am trying Atemoya on pond apple and for now it looks like I have a couple of takes but I know they can still fail.
My question is, do any of you know what interstock works?
The authors used "49-11" which they described as " a 'Gefner' atemoya x A. reticulata hybrid"
Does anyone have scions of this hybrid?  or any tested interstock?

I intend to continue trying different atemoya on pond apple but I am open to try using this two step approach to get there.

I know there is a chart on the forum of graft compatibility and will be searching for it all afternoon :)

By the way, all is not lost.  After last years limited success, I started some cherimoya for root stock and some of my graft this year on 1 year old seedlings of cherimoya.

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Found the table
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16673.0



I have '47-18' grafted onto A. glabra and it has performed better on A. glabra than on A. reticulata in my experience. At 21 months it has flowered many times and currently has fruit set. You can see a photo of the small grafted plant  on the compatibility thread. I also have 'Whitman' fiberless A. muricata grafted onto A. glabra. The graft is pushing now and is keeping in time with those grafted onto muricata.
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2018, 11:45:52 PM »
Very good taper on that pond apple. My cherimoya rootstocks look anemic.

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2018, 11:30:00 PM »
Update:

So I tried several atemoya and a few cherimoya varieties on my pond apple.
Just about all the atemoya have now failed.  Some put out leafs but I guess it was the energy left in JFs superb scion.  The leaves dried up.

I also tried some cherimoya and atemoya I got from another forum member and for now it looks like the Licia may be a take.  I want to test this to see if this is the interstock I am looking for.  Of course, that is assuming other things will take on Licia.

So wish me luck, I am looking for Licia scion to graft on.


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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2018, 12:04:36 PM »
Use custard Apple as inter stock .

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2018, 08:21:02 PM »
I am beginning to thinks some cherimoya may be graft compatible with pond apple, at least better than atemoya.

I did a thorough inspection of the trees and in addition to the Licia it appears boothe and white also appear to be growing.  Inca red did not take.

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2018, 08:32:47 PM »
Use custard Apple as inter stock .
Thanks for the suggestion, it shows as compatible on the table.  May try that next if my current experiment fails.

I will need to find budwood for custard apple.  Perhaps that is easier to come by.

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2018, 09:21:04 PM »
The 'Gefner' that we grafted on 49-11 inter-stock on Pond-Apple 'North' root-stock grew slowly for several years, just above the normal water level of a pond bank, then died, never having fruited.
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2018, 09:24:11 AM »
If your down south in the near future you're more then welcome to a few clippings from my custard apple tree
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2018, 03:56:58 PM »
Priestly, White and Licia continue to show progress on the pond apple.

White has very tiny leaves but they seem to be doing well other than the size

Priestly has been almost reluctant to grow but still has not dies and has sprouted a few leaves.

Licia seems most at home and is throwing out leaves like it belongs.  See pictures below.




White with several small leaves




Priestly almost reluctant




Licia, waxing strong.

For first phase of this experiment, it looks like I have my interstock.
I have put several other Licia scions on a few branches and I am watching them all.
Come next spring, I should have some sites for new atemoya budwood from JF.

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2018, 12:37:37 AM »
My Licia on pond apple continues to do well.
I took a look today and got a surprise.

Look closely at these photos, there is something that looks like a flower.  I may be wrong but can someone familiar with Licia please confirm.
Also, I assume as with mango it is prudent to take the flower off and let the scion grow for at least a season.


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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2018, 11:26:53 AM »
Is the 'Licia' a cherimoya?
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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2018, 12:53:20 PM »
Har, "Licia" and "Rosa" came from Madeira Island via JackfruitWhisperer69. "Rosa" was supposedly a 60 year old seedling , his grandmother's. No further info on "Licia" and JFW69 has not been active to my knowledge for some time. They look like Cherimoya leaves.
The Scion I sent out came from a tree that fruited profusely with no hand pollination.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2018, 05:00:11 PM »
Thank you for jogging my memory.  I do recall reading about those.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2018, 09:00:27 AM »
B2B, so are those flowers and should I knock them off.  Or should I leave them and the plant will take care of that by itself.
The root stock has flowered, still has one or two, and set one fruit.

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2018, 02:19:17 PM »
If you graft on 1 year old seedling, remove flowers.
Your tree is big. You can get fruit from new scion this year.

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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2018, 02:32:35 PM »
Its on a relatively big pond apple tree that had fruit the last couple of years.  Not a huge tree, I have much larger ones but a good size.
I will leave it on for now.
So long as I have a branch to graft atemoya to next spring I am good.

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Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2018, 11:34:35 PM »
I am beginning to thinks some cherimoya may be graft compatible with pond apple, at least better than atemoya.

I did a thorough inspection of the trees and in addition to the Licia it appears boothe and white also appear to be growing.  Inca red did not take.

I couldn't get 'Inca Red' to take either.
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