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Hi Kris, sure I do.  I've been babying them all season, though they really didn't set any viable fruit this round.  But as is the usual, the trees look best about this time of year before the cold snaps hit.  I'll aim to take some pictures of the five RootBuilder bound trees to show their progress.  Their size is impressive, on most (ignoring the weeping Holiday).  How are your trees fairing?

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I've lost most of my trees. Only one that is pushing growth is my stewart. Mexicola looked good for most of the summer then just roasted that last 100+ heatwave we had. Hopefully my guava and papayas will help shade that area next year but I'm probably only going to replace one plant, I'm a lazy gardener...
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I'm sorry to hear about your losses.  That's a real bummer.  It's usual the cold that gets them not the heat.  I thought you were going to use Surround or something like that to protect the plants?  I still have a bunch if you want some.  Here's an updated set of pics from this morning (10/3/2019).  I recently top-dressed everything with worm-castings from my warm farm (mainly fed coffee-grinds).

Pinkerton (gets the most sunlight):


Sir Prize:


Holiday, drooping as always:


Stewart:


Lamb-Hass (the best looking of the bunch):


Lamb-Hass Close-up:


Holiday Close-up:


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I also figure I might as well post updated pics of the three Avocado trees I transplanted to the front yard earlier (either this year or late last -- somehow I can't recall).  They had a hard go early on, but they've recovered well through the summer.  I hope they can weather the winter and come through next Spring to set (and hold) a lot of fruit.  Each tree has fruited a bit previously while in pots, but they dropped all fruit after the transplant this Spring.










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Trees are looking amazing well done.  Yard looks tidy too, I bet the neighbors will be jealous of your trees.  Not a lot of people around there with their own avocado trees. 
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Hi Brad, nice to hear from you.  Thank for the kind words.  I just hope the trees can survive the winter and produce.  I always enjoy following your posts.  All the best.

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I've lost most of my trees. Only one that is pushing growth is my stewart. Mexicola looked good for most of the summer then just roasted that last 100+ heatwave we had. Hopefully my guava and papayas will help shade that area next year but I'm probably only going to replace one plant, I'm a lazy gardener...

were you fertilizing your plants during summer? its a recipe for disaster if you fertilize during summer heat wave in dry California climate.

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Trees were painted and covered in surround. Stewart still had some burn but is pushing growth. Mexicola and reed seedling couldn't handle it.
Probably my fault for planting them so late in the season. I hope to replant one earlier in the spring next season. I also learned to never order directly from four wind growers. I received a fuerte from them that died within two weeks of receiving it and all they would offer me is 50% off and I had to pay shipping again.

Trees did not receive any fertilizer, just mulch. Mine were on an elevated sand and dirt pile I hauled in by the truck.
-Kris

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Ditto z_willu_d, place looks amazing!

Trees were painted and covered in surround. Stewart still had some burn but is pushing growth. Mexicola and reed seedling couldn't handle it.
Probably my fault for planting them so late in the season. I hope to replant one earlier in the spring next season. I also learned to never order directly from four wind growers. I received a fuerte from them that died within two weeks of receiving it and all they would offer me is 50% off and I had to pay shipping again.

Trees did not receive any fertilizer, just mulch. Mine were on an elevated sand and dirt pile I hauled in by the truck.


Yeah am really sorry but this doesn't make sense.  We have heat, lots of it.  In fact we had a very weak "cold" front move thru yesterday afternoon and when I checked on the greenhouse it was 110F.  I didn't have my fans going.  It's hit 112F this summer and most daily temps were 100F + especially in July.  Trees are fine.

Are you giving them enough water in respect to your sandy soil structure and how is the water quality?  My citrus really started looking stressed out until I really upped up my watering.  However, our water quality is the pits with bicarbs of Ca and Mg thru the roof.  TDS is like 800 ppm at times.  Rains stopped (we're in a drought now) so I had to resort to well water rather than rain as I ran out of the latter.  Surprisingly they are fine.  FWIW, most of my trees are on Florida pits which have W. Indies genes in them, those big fat watery greenies.  I've tried a lot of rootstocks but nothing is a better match for our well water or imparts more vigor than Florida pits seedlings.

My Reed can take all the heat you throw at it. Here's a list of avocado varieties that take heat well during a SoCal heatwave.
http://gregalder.com/yardposts/heat-tolerance-of-avocado-varieties/

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Ditto z_willu_d, place looks amazing!

Trees were painted and covered in surround. Stewart still had some burn but is pushing growth. Mexicola and reed seedling couldn't handle it.
Probably my fault for planting them so late in the season. I hope to replant one earlier in the spring next season. I also learned to never order directly from four wind growers. I received a fuerte from them that died within two weeks of receiving it and all they would offer me is 50% off and I had to pay shipping again.

Trees did not receive any fertilizer, just mulch. Mine were on an elevated sand and dirt pile I hauled in by the truck.


Yeah am really sorry but this doesn't make sense.  We have heat, lots of it.  In fact we had a very weak "cold" front move thru yesterday afternoon and when I checked on the greenhouse it was 110F.  I didn't have my fans going.  It's hit 112F this summer and most daily temps were 100F + especially in July.  Trees are fine.

Are you giving them enough water in respect to your sandy soil structure and how is the water quality?  My citrus really started looking stressed out until I really upped up my watering.  However, our water quality is the pits with bicarbs of Ca and Mg thru the roof.  TDS is like 800 ppm at times.  Rains stopped (we're in a drought now) so I had to resort to well water rather than rain as I ran out of the latter.  Surprisingly they are fine.  FWIW, most of my trees are on Florida pits which have W. Indies genes in them, those big fat watery greenies.  I've tried a lot of rootstocks but nothing is a better match for our well water or imparts more vigor than Florida pits seedlings.

My Reed can take all the heat you throw at it. Here's a list of avocado varieties that take heat well during a SoCal heatwave.
http://gregalder.com/yardposts/heat-tolerance-of-avocado-varieties/

Mark: Somehow I never saw this post. It may be worth noting our 110+ degree summers are at 0% humidity. I have no idea how the water quality is but I've never had any leaf burn issues so I don't think that's an issue. Well see how they do this summer.

Naysen, how are your trees holding up? mine seem to be doing pretty well with rain(LOL, what little we've had) and frost. I'm only noticing minor tip damage on one tree. They look like they're about to push new growth.
-Kris

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Hi Kris, I think we only dipped below freezing a couple times, and briefly, this winter (so far).  I hope this weather holds through late winter and spring.  If so, all the avocado trees will be thriving come late spring.  The side yard trees are all looking great, except that some of the leaves took a bit of discoloration and damage after the one large freeze we had a month or maybe two back.  They all look ready to push new buds.  One of the trees, a Bacon I believe, that I transplanted to my front yard -- one of three older Avos actually pushed out new blooms when we had a warm streak of days after that cold drop.  I guess the tree though Spring had come early.  I'm not sure what will become of all the blooms.  I'm thinking I might lose any chance of a crop on that one.  You can see some pics in the big avocado thread.

The five trees in my side yard all seem to have grown up some with beefier trunks, which is nice to see.  I probably need to expand their RootMaker containers by one slab each this Spring.  I think they're ready for a little extra room there.  I'll post an update after Spring if/when they set any fruitlets.  I hope your endeavors are growing well.

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I probably need to expand their RootMaker containers by one slab each this Spring.  I think they're ready for a little extra room there.  I'll post an update after Spring if/when they set any fruitlets.  I hope your endeavors are growing well.

Happy to here all is well.  When I add panels I add no fewer than to make the resulting gap 4". That's approximately how much lateral root growth you'll get behind the terminated root tip.  IMO adding just one panel is make work and not effective.  I usually go 3-4.  I only have about 2-3 beds to increase and i'm done with my dozen or so trees.

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Hi Mark, thanks for the insight.  I had imagined a new panel each year, but you're probably right that it's not worth the effort at such a low incremental volume increase.  Do you bump up the volume every year, or more infrequently?  We've had an extra warm winter so far here, so I'm hoping all the trees come through without the usual heavy leaf drop and reset.  How's it going there?

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Hi Mark, thanks for the insight.  I had imagined a new panel each year, but you're probably right that it's not worth the effort at such a low incremental volume increase.  Do you bump up the volume every year, or more infrequently?  We've had an extra warm winter so far here, so I'm hoping all the trees come through without the usual heavy leaf drop and reset.  How's it going there?

I get to a certain size and stop expanding.  No need to go any bigger since they are rooted in the ground.   There is one exception, this Meyer lemon on Flying Dragon rootstock has been in it's own little "pot" forever.  I had to butcher it so I can get to the panels to process them soon.  I bet this tree gave us 600 lemons this year.  I gave away most of them.
 


This is my no-shit treatment of heavy clay loam, knife subsoiler with a foot.  ;D 2' down, criss cross passes.  Field planted stuff goes nuts since the roots find the fractures and root in quick.  It's all about the roots. I actually ran this thing in the greenhouse over the proposed spots before the walls went up.





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Hi Mark, I just saw your reply (a month late).  The lemons on that Meyer!  I hope you're taking care and living well off the land.

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Hi Mark, I just saw your reply (a month late).  The lemons on that Meyer!  I hope you're taking care and living well off the land.

Howdy, doing pretty damn good, hope you are too.  Going to put a Lisbon lemon t-bud on the Meyer soon.   Am trying to deal with all the Covidiots that are hoarding this and that. 

Yesterday I finished up caging my maters using RootBuilder.  Key is to give them a damn good root system and shade them on the (due) east of the greenhouse from about 2:00 p.m. on. They get full sun before then.  Subsoiled, fractured, the clay loam 2' deep.

Citrus crop was/is over the top.  Am enjoying Moro blood oranges now.

Newly grafted, 10' X 8' W Sharwil/Lamb Hass is exploding in blooms, setting fruit.  Newly grafted Ardith, GEM, Pinkerton are blooming and setting fruit. Big Reed has yet to show blooms.  Very exciting!



Don't put up with any shit from a Covidiot.  ;D

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Hi Mark, one positive of this Shelter in Place is that I'm really catching up on all the chores at home.  I had been out of the country and abroad for 5 out of 6 weeks (work stuff), and all the trees and gardening suffered.  I now have a late garden sprouting in the garage, and today I finished juicing/freezing/canning the:
- Limes
- Lemons
- Pomelos
- Grapefruits
- And left-over oranges

I'm well stocked for citrus for the year, to say the least.

Plenty of other choirs in the outdoors getting accomplished as well.  The Avocado trees are looking good so far.  We had a super mild winter, so I'm hoping for a banner year there.  I'll post some pics and an update later in April.  Have fun!

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Yep, catch up time for ya'll.  Been retired for 15 years and can't ever seem to catch up.  Maybe if I got off this device once in a while......  :)

 

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