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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2018, 09:32:18 PM »
Here is my another attempt, inverted T this time. Looks ok?






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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2018, 10:26:47 PM »
If possible, try to do it on pure green rootstock sections towards the top. Takes are a harder on brown wood.
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2018, 10:32:13 PM »
Ok. Will keep in mind. This was not think but on it's way to turning dark wood.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2018, 11:21:15 PM »
Great thread Behl and thanks for all the tips Jeff. Iím going to try some bud grafts this year.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2018, 11:34:03 PM »
Here is guava Jeff. It's a patch bud graft on green.



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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2018, 10:49:52 AM »
I would go even higher still to pure green bark. Let us know if they take.

Here is guava Jeff. It's a patch bud graft on green.


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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2018, 10:54:56 AM »
I will keep you posted. I have seen videos of folks doing patch grafting on mature wood. it will be interesting to see how mine turn out. stay tuned.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2018, 11:23:26 AM »
They can and do take on mature wood. It's just that rate of take is lower.

I will keep you posted. I have seen videos of folks doing patch grafting on mature wood. it will be interesting to see how mine turn out. stay tuned.
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2018, 11:46:04 AM »
understood. probably it might have to do with moisture getting into the wound, rough wood is hard to seal vs smooth green wood.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2018, 01:49:05 PM »
Why not do what Mark Texas does and get the Schick injector blade mounted on Xacto handle?

I just use my regular grafting knife with the bark lifter head.

Those handles are rounded and might slip or curve out and I could get potential cut. Rectangle handle might be better option. As long as blades are razor sharp I am good. For bud grafting, I tried two other knives, after sharpening to death they still wont glide like i would like to. Razor blade sound better idea.

Schick is the only way to go unless you're working with tough material then the blade bends too easily.  You get ultra clean tissue cuts as opposed to the getting some tissue burs with a knife blade and when you feel the need for a new sharp edge, you just flip the blade in the handle.

I've been a grafting fool lately doing avocados, sugar apples and cherimoyas, cleft and side veneer.  Everything is pushing.

I love t-bud. Usually get 100% takes.  I mean how can you mess up a good cambium match with t-bud?
 

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2018, 01:55:45 PM »
Two t-buds, separated by about an inch or so.   Both took.  I quit using the vinyl tape to cinch up tight.  Rubber band and/or clothes pin is much easier to work with.



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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2018, 02:02:11 PM »
Nice Mark. I got one of my citrus pushing, I have 8 buds stacked 3 inches apart. I am hoping all will push eventually. time will tell.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2018, 02:03:46 PM »
Here is my another attempt, inverted T this time. Looks ok?



What bothers me is the bottom of the flap is open.  When wrapped properly the bud chip should sit there completely wrapped up like a baby in a blanket like my first photo above shows.  Only the bud should be showing.





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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2018, 02:09:04 PM »
picture was taken without wrapping. the bark was green but a bit thick. so when I wrapped it, I flapped it over the base of bud, it did not get 100% coverage because size of bud vs size of rootstock stem, which was thin. but I got very sharp clean cut on bud and clear contact with cambium.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2018, 02:11:05 PM »
Nice Mark. I got one of my citrus pushing, I have 8 buds stacked 3 inches apart. I am hoping all will push eventually. time will tell.

Thanks, and good luck to you.

Kicker is this fine cocktail tree got frozen back leaving the "tender" key lime pushing like a mofo now.  Go figure.  That's what's weird about that 18F hit.  Stuff that should have made it didn't.  "Tender" stuff that shouldn't have made it did - Gwen, Reed avocados, key lime.  I had multiple sticks of Hamlin orange, Persian limes and Variegated Eureka Pink lemon on it.  All froze back probably because they were still young.  Lemon bloomed quickly, held a few clutches of lemons.  I know it's not mango but the grafting principle is the same.




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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2018, 02:13:35 PM »
picture was taken without wrapping. the bark was green but a bit thick. so when I wrapped it, I flapped it over the base of bud, it did not get 100% coverage because size of bud vs size of rootstock stem, which was thin. but I got very sharp clean cut on bud and clear contact with cambium.

Got it!

I tried t-bud on mango.  Bark was tough, kinda early in the spring, never did get the bark to slip.  Finally did cleft on young but mature shoots.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2018, 02:27:53 PM »
right now bark is slipping very well in mangoes for my location, that is why I am tempted to try new things.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2018, 02:44:52 PM »
To complete your Schick blades and Excel holder combo, Carlos has another tool to complement your outfit: small leather strop; with it, your blades can last a "very long time"...

Here's his 1 minute video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA1wSfLzGBI

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2018, 02:56:46 PM »
It's not necessary to completely cover the bud. You can also use chip budding with similar success rate. I did like using rubber bands to cover the buds (just leaving a hole for the bud eye).

Citrus grafting / budding is quite a bit easier than mango grafting / budding.

Green (or red-stage) mango rootstock has "less differentiated cambium" (I'm probably butchering that, but that's the gist of what Har told me). So, in effect, you get more cambium with greener mango rootstock.
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2018, 04:38:08 PM »
It's not necessary to completely cover the bud.

here in CA bud will dry-out if not 100% covered with Buddy tape due to humidity that is in teens every time we go above 85-90 degrees.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2018, 05:43:20 PM »
It's not necessary to completely cover the bud.

here in CA bud will dry-out if not 100% covered with Buddy tape due to humidity that is in teens every time we go above 85-90 degrees.

Yep, especially true here in AZ
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2018, 05:43:50 PM »
I mean covered by the bark -- as was discussed in a previous post. They will dry out here too if not covered by plastic.

It's not necessary to completely cover the bud.

here in CA bud will dry-out if not 100% covered with Buddy tape due to humidity that is in teens every time we go above 85-90 degrees.
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2018, 05:49:48 PM »
I mean covered by the bark -- as was discussed in a previous post. They will dry out here too if not covered by plastic.

It's not necessary to completely cover the bud.

here in CA bud will dry-out if not 100% covered with Buddy tape due to humidity that is in teens every time we go above 85-90 degrees.

that was my understanding too. infact I believe if we align bark of bud to bark of rootstock, you get way better connection, when I do veneer or cleft, I always look to align bark on one side, other side may or may not align. but that is for cambium contact. In Bud graft, its 100% cambium contact.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2018, 08:45:11 PM »
X-Acto #2.

Break one injector blade in half (wear safety glasses!), insert in X-Acto handle,, then insert whole blade.  With this double thickness of injector blade, the handle tightens down well.
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2018, 08:49:36 PM »
Sapflow in the cambium is downward, carrying glucose from photosynthesis in the leaves and green bark.

On the other hand, I assume that the sapflow in the less-differentiated tissue of the extremely young plants that Jeff mentions, is mostly upward, as the leaves have not yet begun to work.
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