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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2018, 10:21:53 AM »
Thank you for all the tips here. I got X-Acto # 2 with Shick blades as recommended. What a difference! Dang, that thing slices clean like butter and your fingers would be budded out too if not careful. This will give me more confidence in bud grafting now.

last question, what is recommended protection for fingers? there is always potential for a bad cut of fingers. I want to have some insurance.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2018, 12:57:13 PM »

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2018, 07:29:16 PM »
Thank you for all the tips here. I got X-Acto # 2 with Shick blades as recommended. What a difference! Dang, that thing slices clean like butter and your fingers would be budded out too if not careful. This will give me more confidence in bud grafting now.

last question, what is recommended protection for fingers? there is always potential for a bad cut of fingers. I want to have some insurance.

I got one of those xacto knives and the schick blades.  Definitely cut away from yourself when cutting the rootstocks.

Amazon sells "cut resistant" level 5 gloves if you are really wild with the knife.  They look like they would work well.  Lots of brands make them.
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2018, 08:06:33 AM »
I think your success will improve with a cleaner cut.   Control is the issue with me.  I recently grafted some annona, cleft grafts. Tried something new - this time I laid the scion stick on the granite counter top and with the other hand positioned the Schick blade over it making sure it was perfectly horizontal to the granite and pulled the scion thru the blade.  Flipped the now angled cleft type scion and repeated the motion.  Got a perfect match and they're pushing.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2018, 08:22:38 PM »
Hey Behl, any luck on your bud grafts?

I just put two bud grafts on a tree at Brads orchard. Itís more like shield/veneer bud graft and I put it on newer red, non hardened wood so Iím skeptical it will take but Iím hopeful it will. The wind has been blowing crazy at his place and the trees were flexing a lot in the wind. Hereís a picture before I wrapped it.



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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2018, 10:22:22 PM »
Looks like a chip bud. I've had good success with those. Let us know how it goes. If you don't succeed the first time around, keep trying. You'll get it eventually.

Hey Behl, any luck on your bud grafts?

I just put two bud grafts on a tree at Brads orchard. Itís more like shield/veneer bud graft and I put it on newer red, non hardened wood so Iím skeptical it will take but Iím hopeful it will. The wind has been blowing crazy at his place and the trees were flexing a lot in the wind. Hereís a picture before I wrapped it.



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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2018, 11:53:05 PM »
Out of 10 plus bud grafts 3 or 4 looks like failed. Rest are green. Same time my clefts have pushed.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2018, 08:32:20 AM »
Thanks Jeff, I accidentally called it a shield bud because itís shaped like a shield but I see itís a chip bud now. This is my first bud graft for Mango but Iíve had plenty of success on citrus.

Anyone know if success rate is higher with hardened fresh green wood or with reddish new growth like in my picture?

Behl, thatís pretty good if some are still green. 10 buds would have been about two cleft grafts. If you get more than two takes, itís a success.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2018, 08:40:22 AM »


 
I should have cut away from the root stock last week.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2018, 11:04:52 AM »
Yep, that's one of the main issues of budding on mango -- getting the bud eyes to spring. Cleft and veneer are better. Budding is only used when one is trying to graft commercial quantities.

Out of 10 plus bud grafts 3 or 4 looks like failed. Rest are green. Same time my clefts have pushed.
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2018, 12:17:25 PM »
Yep, that's one of the main issues of budding on mango -- getting the bud eyes to spring. Cleft and veneer are better. Budding is only used when one is trying to graft commercial quantities.

Out of 10 plus bud grafts 3 or 4 looks like failed. Rest are green. Same time my clefts have pushed.

couldn't agree more. also note that I got 14 out of 15 citrus grafts that took and have grown over 6 inches, which 12 out of 12 bud grafts are still in sleep. I will probably not do bud grafts going forward unless there is absolute need for it.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2018, 06:20:47 PM »
The only two times I seriously cut myself while propagating was while I was cutting away from my body, but not away from one of my fingers.

I normally cut towards my body, but with my thumb and wrist flexed in a curve.
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2018, 06:35:29 PM »
couldn't agree more. also note that I got 14 out of 15 citrus grafts that took and have grown over 6 inches, which 12 out of 12 bud grafts are still in sleep. I will probably not do bud grafts going forward unless there is absolute need for it.

Nice job.  Been t-budding citrus since the 80's.  My favorite, no-brainer go-to for citrus.  I had citrus grafts last year go from a bud to 4' in 3 months last year.

Choice of wood is important using the previous push, not the current one.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2018, 02:37:00 PM »
Iíve had some really successful bid graftsbin citrus, but the ones that fail all have mold/yeast on them at 3 weeks and never grow.

Iíve found the most reliable for me are traditional grafts (veneer is my got to). Nearly 100% take on all citrus so far except for limes (0%, 0/4).

Any tips on how to minimize yeast/mold? I had some fungus on some of my fig cuttings as well, and I got a recommendation to wash them in bleach solution before wrapping them.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2018, 03:27:05 PM »
Iíve performed many successful bud grafts on Citrus and had several failures but Iíve never seen yeast or mold on the failed bud citrus grafts.

Was your source wood from CCPP or did your rootstocks have mealybug/aphids/scale or sooty mold on it? Maybe you can try prepping your budwood and rootstock branches by spraying with copper soap before grafting and wrapping your scions. I spray copper soap on any mango scions that look suspicious and then dry off with a paper towel before wrapping with parafilm or buddy tape.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #65 on: May 21, 2018, 08:18:14 AM »
Iíve had some really successful bid graftsbin citrus, but the ones that fail all have mold/yeast on them at 3 weeks and never grow.

Iíve found the most reliable for me are traditional grafts (veneer is my got to). Nearly 100% take on all citrus so far except for limes (0%, 0/4).

Any tips on how to minimize yeast/mold? I had some fungus on some of my fig cuttings as well, and I got a recommendation to wash them in bleach solution before wrapping them.

30 minute soak in Magnabon CS2005 1.5 tsp/gallon.  Hand dry, wrap.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2018, 01:19:01 AM »
Thanks for the advice. I bought some of the product you mentioned.

Simon- I received the wood from ccpp. After 3 weeks there was white semisolid growth on some of the buds and these ones never pushed. I saw similar textured stuff on fig cuttings I had this past winter and those I identified as mold.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2018, 10:34:46 AM »
ok here is my report. still quite a few green buds on citrus and mangoes and no takes yet, same time clefts and veneers have pushed hard. I think buds need more stable heat which is lacking for us, we go on a roller coaster and I have been hitting lows under 50 almost daily. this time around we should be near 60 min.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2018, 12:46:04 PM »
Hey Behl, have you tried to prune back the apical branches? I do that to my citrus bud grafts to re direct the energy. If theyíre still green, hopefully they will push once the weather warms up. Thereís another 1-2 weeks of cool cloudy weather in the forecast. May grey followed by June gloom.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2018, 01:37:15 PM »
I know, it sucks. my mangoes have bloomed 3 to 4 times already and blooms dried off due to PM

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« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2018, 06:49:23 PM »
I know, it sucks. my mangoes have bloomed 3 to 4 times already and blooms dried off due to PM

There is no reason to have such issues.  Apply a fungicide like Pristine or copper like Magnabon CS2005 if you're of the organic ilk.  If you don't add a surfactant you're just pissin' in the wind.

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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #71 on: June 15, 2018, 01:39:09 AM »

I just put two bud grafts on a tree at Brads orchard. Itís more like shield/veneer bud graft and I put it on newer red, non hardened wood so Iím skeptical it will take but Iím hopeful it will. The wind has been blowing crazy at his place and the trees were flexing a lot in the wind. Hereís a picture before I wrapped it.



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Simon, can you update the chip buds that you did, when you have the time, please.
It has been about a month I did chip bud grafts. I took off the parafilm today. It looks like I have about 50% of the buds still green
I pinched off the top tip growth
I also have some side new growths. Should I take off all of it to force the buds to growth?
What is the best thing to do to force the buds?






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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2018, 08:04:11 AM »

I just put two bud grafts on a tree at Brads orchard. Itís more like shield/veneer bud graft and I put it on newer red, non hardened wood so Iím skeptical it will take but Iím hopeful it will. The wind has been blowing crazy at his place and the trees were flexing a lot in the wind. Hereís a picture before I wrapped it.



I'd be putting some kind of clamp on to keep that thing stationery.  Any little movement or friction between your rootstock and chip is gonna tear any tissue connection/callousing that is or was going on.    I am using a thick rubber band and/or clothespins with much success to really clamp down on the union, no matter what the technique is.  I remove them about 14-21 days after I do the graft.

Just T-bud grafted 5 Persian lime scions to an older Meyer lemon tree.  I first wrap with parafilm/buddy tape and then apply the clamps on each side of the scion bud/node.  The flaps close over nicely, wrap around the sliver holding the dormant bud.  If I was doing mango I'd choose a rootstock branch no thicker than 1/2".  I chose "rootstock" branches 3/8" thick.  Bark is slipping really clean and easy now.



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Re: Mango Bud Grafting T-Bud Graft Method
« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2018, 09:57:19 AM »
Hi Mark, if you are using buddy tape  why do you   need the cloths pins???

 

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