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Sapodilla choice
« on: April 12, 2018, 11:14:55 AM »
Ilive in zone 9b on Florida se coast and would like to know anyones experience with growing Chico. What i read Alano is best but how fast does it grow from a 3 gallon pot. Are other varieties better suited for home yards?

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 12:16:08 PM »
All saps are really slow growers to start -- for the first several years. Alano is a swell choice. If you want dwarf, get a silas woods.
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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 02:31:59 PM »
Yes dwarf is best as my yard is getting crowded. Whar about winter temps? Thank you.

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 03:08:30 PM »
I have about of 200 feet of sidewalk in the backyard and would like to line it with sapodilla or mango trees. Mango trees are off the list because of the sprinkler system for the grass. What cultivar produces bat ball sized fruits? Like the commercial variety with red tint found in the Asian markets?

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2018, 03:28:21 PM »
I wouldn't leave out makok as an option.
It is also dwarf and so far it is the sweetest I have tasted and a good producer.
This past winter I was 30F one night and 32F two nights in a row. My trees were fine and didn't drop
fruit. My trees aren't 3 gallon size, they are a couple years old. I have 4 types of grafted trees
in the ground and makok is my favorite. For me there is no such thing as a bad sapodilla.
 

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2018, 04:00:19 PM »
I also like Makok. It is a compact (so far) slow grower that has barely reached 10 feet and has a lean canopy. It was planted in 2011 as a fairly good looking 7 gallon.
I don't get a sense that it's overly sweet but I've only had a few saps and was not able to taste them at the same time as the Makok.

Further on the plus side, it seems to always have fruit on it at every stage of development from flowers to full sized ready to eat fruit. It has had no issues with pests or other things requiring remedial action. I don't know what a bat ball sized fruit is but the Makok gives me fruit up to a "Large" egg size, if thinned they will get bigger but I don't thin the fruit. I prefer more fruit developing spread across a longer ripening time. 

I had a Tikal but it had a very rubbery trunk and it would never stand upright on its own so I pulled it out.


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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2018, 11:32:02 PM »
Makok should be your best choice. Silas Wood's fruits are tiny but the tree is a heavy producer, so the branches get overloaded and snap.

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 11:23:35 AM »
I've had both makok and silas woods -- both for about a decade. I strongly believe the silas woods to be a seedling of makok. Here are some of the things I've noticed:

 - Silas fruits are better tasting. They are white fleshed and have a smoother, honey flavor, where makok is more of a strong piloncillo flavor and a dark brown color. (Silas fruits will look and taste more like makok if allowed to ripen on tree.)
 - Both trees are extremely productive and very precocious. Both also produce fruit year round.
 - Fruits on both are small, but silas tends to be just a hair larger.
 - Silas and makok both get raided heavily by possums and raccoons -- they are the cause of broken branches. Silas is slightly more brittle than makok, but broken branches are an issue on both due to the animals that climb the trees to harvest the fruit.
 - Both trees are dwarf, but makok might be just a hair smaller and slower growing.
 - Makok can suffer from a ripening issue where some of the flesh is soft. I never fully figured out the cause.

The silas is a better tree. I ended up yanking my 13 year old makok.
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2018, 11:47:52 AM »
I ended up yanking my 13 year old makok.

Bahahahahhahahahhahaa!!!!!!! Careful, I heard that leads to vision problems and hairy palms. I thought you were a little bit older than that! Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.  ;D
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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 02:44:47 PM »
:-) ewww

I ended up yanking my 13 year old makok.

Bahahahahhahahahhahaa!!!!!!! Careful, I heard that leads to vision problems and hairy palms. I thought you were a little bit older than that! Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.  ;D
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2018, 02:51:26 PM »
I've had both makok and silas woods -- both for about a decade. I strongly believe the silas woods to be a seedling of makok. Here are some of the things I've noticed:

 - Silas fruits are better tasting. They are white fleshed and have a smoother, honey flavor, where makok is more of a strong piloncillo flavor and a dark brown color. (Silas fruits will look and taste more like makok if allowed to ripen on tree.)
 - Both trees are extremely productive and very precocious. Both also produce fruit year round.
 - Fruits on both are small, but silas tends to be just a hair larger.
 - Silas and makok both get raided heavily by possums and raccoons -- they are the cause of broken branches. Silas is slightly more brittle than makok, but broken branches are an issue on both due to the animals that climb the trees to harvest the fruit.
 - Both trees are dwarf, but makok might be just a hair smaller and slower growing.
 - Makok can suffer from a ripening issue where some of the flesh is soft. I never fully figured out the cause.

The silas is a better tree. I ended up yanking my 13 year old makok.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=piloncillo+pronounciation&&view=detail&mid=FA6440EAA4F1608D20F4FA6440EAA4F1608D20F4&rvsmid=198DCA858A5684491C0B198DCA858A5684491C0B&FORM=VDQVAP

Thanks I learned a new word, I actually like the taste of piloncillo
The only origin I have heard is that Silas Wood came from Pine Island?
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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2018, 02:58:52 PM »
I've had both makok and silas woods -- both for about a decade. I strongly believe the silas woods to be a seedling of makok. Here are some of the things I've noticed:

 - Silas fruits are better tasting. They are white fleshed and have a smoother, honey flavor, where makok is more of a strong piloncillo flavor and a dark brown color. (Silas fruits will look and taste more like makok if allowed to ripen on tree.)
 - Both trees are extremely productive and very precocious. Both also produce fruit year round.
 - Fruits on both are small, but silas tends to be just a hair larger.
 - Silas and makok both get raided heavily by possums and raccoons -- they are the cause of broken branches. Silas is slightly more brittle than makok, but broken branches are an issue on both due to the animals that climb the trees to harvest the fruit.
 - Both trees are dwarf, but makok might be just a hair smaller and slower growing.
 - Makok can suffer from a ripening issue where some of the flesh is soft. I never fully figured out the cause.

The silas is a better tree. I ended up yanking my 13 year old makok.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=piloncillo+pronounciation&&view=detail&mid=FA6440EAA4F1608D20F4FA6440EAA4F1608D20F4&rvsmid=198DCA858A5684491C0B198DCA858A5684491C0B&FORM=VDQVAP

Thanks I learned a new word, I actually like the taste of piloncillo and
it is a perfect description of the taste!
The only origin I have heard is that Silas Wood came from Pine Island?

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2018, 11:00:09 PM »
Has anyone successfully grafted Silas onto a Makok?
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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2018, 12:04:04 PM »
:-) ewww

I ended up yanking my 13 year old makok.

Bahahahahhahahahhahaa!!!!!!! Careful, I heard that leads to vision problems and hairy palms. I thought you were a little bit older than that! Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.  ;D
LMAO!!! I'm glad you didn't! Exactly my type of (admittedly juvenile) humor. I don't want to hijack this thread, but this brings up something I've been wondering. I've read that sapodillas don't ripen off the tree. But when I try to wait till they're ripe, the raccoons/squirrels have already raided the tree (Silas Woods), and I never get any. What's your criteria for harvesting? I tried enclosing the fruit in plastic clamshell type boxes that supermarket fruit come in, but the raccoons rip them open. Parenthetically, I also have a small Hasya for about a year. Looks like it's about to flower. Thanks for the help and the laughs.

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2018, 01:58:18 AM »
^5 Josh. Nice!

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Re: Sapodilla choice
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2018, 01:45:55 PM »
silas seems to ripen better off tree for me (white flesh, sweet + smooth flavor) vs on tree (darker color flesh, pungeant makok flavor). Just start picking them and experimenting. Generally, you want to scratch the skin and look for a yellow-green color. Green means don't pick. But, to be honest, my wife is the one who picks them, and she has some sort of central american instinct / special power that guides her to the ready-to-pick fruit.

:-) ewww

I ended up yanking my 13 year old makok.

Bahahahahhahahahhahaa!!!!!!! Careful, I heard that leads to vision problems and hairy palms. I thought you were a little bit older than that! Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.  ;D
LMAO!!! I'm glad you didn't! Exactly my type of (admittedly juvenile) humor. I don't want to hijack this thread, but this brings up something I've been wondering. I've read that sapodillas don't ripen off the tree. But when I try to wait till they're ripe, the raccoons/squirrels have already raided the tree (Silas Woods), and I never get any. What's your criteria for harvesting? I tried enclosing the fruit in plastic clamshell type boxes that supermarket fruit come in, but the raccoons rip them open. Parenthetically, I also have a small Hasya for about a year. Looks like it's about to flower. Thanks for the help and the laughs.
Jeff  :-)

 

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