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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2018, 10:36:09 PM »
I'm a bit surprised to see as many liking the WJ as I'm seeing here.

I've only tasted two different WJ but of all the many other fruits I've tasted, the WJ and cocoplum are two I don't get. Eating a WJ I taste what a rose smells like if that's clear and just a hint of sweetness. On the opposite side of the coin the cocoplum is sweeter but has no taste to me.

To me there's many fruits (that are not susceptible to fruit fly like the WJ is) to grow in the space, but there must be something redeeming in the WJ that eludes my palate.

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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2018, 07:24:06 AM »
I'm a bit surprised to see as many liking the WJ as I'm seeing here.

I've only tasted two different WJ but of all the many other fruits I've tasted, the WJ and cocoplum are two I don't get. Eating a WJ I taste what a rose smells like if that's clear and just a hint of sweetness. On the opposite side of the coin the cocoplum is sweeter but has no taste to me.

To me there's many fruits (that are not susceptible to fruit fly like the WJ is) to grow in the space, but there must be something redeeming in the WJ that eludes my palate.
What you speak of sounds like rose apple to me thin flesh with rose flavour. I never have gotten a rose water flavour from wj.
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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2018, 12:17:03 PM »
Yes, Rose Apple tastes exactly like what a rose smells like if it were a fruit and slightly sweet.

Edit: Specifically speaking of Syzygium Jambos in agreement with the above statement by stuatdaly88.
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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2018, 07:24:24 AM »
**Rant alert!**

Sorry, but this is a subject near and dear to my heart because I spent months last year trying to get a fruit I used to eat when I lived in Thailand.  Over there, the English name was Rose Apple and the Thai name was Chompoooooooo.  Well, here in the US a rose apple isn't a rose apple, but maybe a chompoooooo is a Jambu?  (I think the last few comments illustrate this point where people are talking about rose apple on a thread about Wax Jambu.)
Anyway, I've included a picture of what I used to eat in Thailand below.  I took this same picture with me to Bender's Grove last year and showed it to him without naming it.  He said, "Oh that's a Malay Apple, I have one."  I replied, "You sure it isn't a wax Jambu?"  He said, "Oh, different people call it different things."  This is exactly the same thing I found online it's just a jumbled mess.  It's not like this with mangoes.  People talk about mango varieties and they are different, but with syzygium, they all sort of get lumped together and it creates confusion.  For example, I might talk about my experience with the fruit pictured below, but somebody else may have had WJ that's smaller, green and doesn't taste the same.  I think this is one of the problems with WJ not getting a lot of love on this website.  Also, it seems that there are different varieties of each syzygium that aren't named or differentiated.  When I looked at TT website last year for WJ, there was one variety for sale, but the pictures looked liked maybe 5 different varieties again, more confusion.   :(
What about the guy from South Africa that says he loved WJ in Thailand, and then says Rose Apple doesn't taste the same?  If WJ is called Rose Apple in Thailand, how does he know he has a WJ?  Am I wrong about the picture below?  Is it a WJ or a Rose Apple?  Does it just depend on what country you live in?  I wish sunny from Udon could look at the picture and give some feedback.
Anyway, the stuff I had in Thailand was crisp, light, refreshing and a pleasure to eat.  Especially when it was 100 F in Bangkok and all the cement everywhere makes it feel like you're living in a pizza oven.  My advice to the OP is get your plants/seeds from Thailand if possible.  Good luck!






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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2018, 08:20:28 AM »
This is a red chomphu on pic, not mamiew malay apple.

Mamiew is hard to find because nobody likes the red mamiew. Other mamiew is very hard to find but we have nice ones.

Red chomphu can be nice sweet but we always have to taste first..the red one is chomphu tab tim and has small seeds.




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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2018, 02:21:12 PM »
The fruit we call Rose Apple is Syzygium jambos and it only comes in one color: pale yellow. They are small, round, and dry, though sweet.

Wax Jambu is S. samarangense and it comes in a wide variety of sizes, shapes, and colors, but the flowers are always pale yellow.

Malay Apple is S. malaccense and its flowers are always bright pink.

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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2018, 08:37:37 PM »
The fruit we call Rose Apple is Syzygium jambos and it only comes in one color: pale yellow. They are small, round, and dry, though sweet.

Wax Jambu is S. samarangense and it comes in a wide variety of sizes, shapes, and colors, but the flowers are always pale yellow.

Malay Apple is S. malaccense and its flowers are always bright pink.

hopefully that clears up this thread a bit of confusion.

Sunny= Mamiew would be Malay Apple vareity then, it is pink flowers.

I have a green wax jambu, it produces all year round, but the fruit flies really get all the fruits, even with about 10 fruit fly traps in the tree they still get hit.

I have a Taiwan Giant Green Wax Jambu variety in a pot, I hope to graft it onto the small green wax jambu I have, it would make bagging the fruits less time consuming and worth the effort.

If the wax jambu on the property wasn't so big I would have cut it down a long time ago.  For now it is giving nice shade and food for the pig.

On a side note I saw a Malay Apple tree recently with a height of over 60 feet and trunk diameter around 5 feet.  It must be some sort of record, I just couldn't believe how big it was.

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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2018, 06:00:00 PM »
**Rant alert!**

Sorry, but this is a subject near and dear to my heart because I spent months last year trying to get a fruit I used to eat when I lived in Thailand.  Over there, the English name was Rose Apple and the Thai name was Chompoooooooo.  Well, here in the US a rose apple isn't a rose apple, but maybe a chompoooooo is a Jambu?  (I think the last few comments illustrate this point where people are talking about rose apple on a thread about Wax Jambu.)
Anyway, I've included a picture of what I used to eat in Thailand below.  I took this same picture with me to Bender's Grove last year and showed it to him without naming it.  He said, "Oh that's a Malay Apple, I have one."  I replied, "You sure it isn't a wax Jambu?"  He said, "Oh, different people call it different things."  This is exactly the same thing I found online it's just a jumbled mess.  It's not like this with mangoes.  People talk about mango varieties and they are different, but with syzygium, they all sort of get lumped together and it creates confusion.  For example, I might talk about my experience with the fruit pictured below, but somebody else may have had WJ that's smaller, green and doesn't taste the same.  I think this is one of the problems with WJ not getting a lot of love on this website.  Also, it seems that there are different varieties of each syzygium that aren't named or differentiated.  When I looked at TT website last year for WJ, there was one variety for sale, but the pictures looked liked maybe 5 different varieties again, more confusion.   :(
What about the guy from South Africa that says he loved WJ in Thailand, and then says Rose Apple doesn't taste the same?  If WJ is called Rose Apple in Thailand, how does he know he has a WJ?  Am I wrong about the picture below?  Is it a WJ or a Rose Apple?  Does it just depend on what country you live in?  I wish sunny from Udon could look at the picture and give some feedback.
Anyway, the stuff I had in Thailand was crisp, light, refreshing and a pleasure to eat.  Especially when it was 100 F in Bangkok and all the cement everywhere makes it feel like you're living in a pizza oven.  My advice to the OP is get your plants/seeds from Thailand if possible.  Good luck!





Dude I just bought the fruit I didn't ask what they call it I'm English and don't speak Thai.
I have had rose apple in SA it is small pale yellow with thin flesh and hollow with a seed, it tastes like rose water not a bad novelty fruit but not something I would plant with limited space.
What I refer to as wj that I had in Thailand was large red and definitely Syzygium samarangense and also much better than rose apple IMO.

My only point was that what what gnappi was referring to sounds like what I know as rose apple(aand the name fits the taste) and not wj. What is an awesome fruit imo
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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2018, 12:31:56 AM »
the one in the picture, that is the superior of superior strains, in fact it is the only one commercially produced.  It is seedless, and sweeter than any another variety here in Thailand, except for perhaps some recently introduced ones that aren't on the market yet.  If you are going to plant any variety then that is the one!

It is a bit of confusion here as well, all 'rose apples' are called "Chompuu" which almost sounds like Shampoo.  :)

The jambos variety is very uncommon here and called Chompoo Nam Dog Mai - "flower water rose apple"  I have seeds I brought from Hawaii  and planted, but other people who are growing likely got from Malaysia, some nurseries sell these now.

Malaccense- definitely the "mamiew" variety, but called "Chompoo Mamiew", large red, pink red flowers, sweeter than wax jambu.  I have several Mamiew trees on my property, fruit flies again get them, and they have problems with too much water uptake, deformed fruits, fungus on leaves, etc.. many problems with these trees, which I guess would be my climate having a very short dry season.

Then there are many other varieties, but not sure what they are, if just identifying by color of flowers then I guess easy. The wilder ones like on my property, at the temple and schools in my neighborhood are massive trees that nobody cares about or eats, they sweep them up with a broom and throw away, I feed mine to the pig.  They are very small.



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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2018, 01:49:34 PM »
the one in the picture, that is the superior of superior strains, in fact it is the only one commercially produced.  It is seedless, and sweeter than any another variety here in Thailand, except for perhaps some recently introduced ones that aren't on the market yet.  If you are going to plant any variety then that is the one!

It is a bit of confusion here as well, all 'rose apples' are called "Chompuu" which almost sounds like Shampoo.  :)

The jambos variety is very uncommon here and called Chompoo Nam Dog Mai - "flower water rose apple"  I have seeds I brought from Hawaii  and planted, but other people who are growing likely got from Malaysia, some nurseries sell these now.

Malaccense- definitely the "mamiew" variety, but called "Chompoo Mamiew", large red, pink red flowers, sweeter than wax jambu.  I have several Mamiew trees on my property, fruit flies again get them, and they have problems with too much water uptake, deformed fruits, fungus on leaves, etc.. many problems with these trees, which I guess would be my climate having a very short dry season.

Then there are many other varieties, but not sure what they are, if just identifying by color of flowers then I guess easy. The wilder ones like on my property, at the temple and schools in my neighborhood are massive trees that nobody cares about or eats, they sweep them up with a broom and throw away, I feed mine to the pig.  They are very small.

Sahai,

Thanks for the feedback.  I agree the one in the picture is superior.  In 8 years of living there, that's the only kind I ever saw, but they were everywhere and easy to buy.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I was thinking that Thai "chompuu" was English "jambo".  Is it?  I thought I remembered something about Thai language has no "j", so Thai people use "ch" instead - yes or no?

The million dollar question is:  Can I get the variety in the picture anywhere in the USA?  Any help would be appreciated!   Thank you!  ;D

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Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2018, 07:40:22 PM »
Not sure about in the USA, here it is quite easy to buy, always top grafted since this varieity is seedless.
ชมพู่ทับทิมจันทร์ - Chompuu Taptim Jun - if this was translated to English it might be named - Ruby Moon Java Apple, you can see it is the one in the middle top row of this picture:


Changing the intonation of Chompuu a bit is the word for Pink in Thai, but perhaps it is from Jambu, if Jambu is a Malay word perhaps it is a soft J?  It would have to pass through Yawi language to get here, knowing the Yawi word for Java Apple might be a clue if it is a borrowed wood.

Also Thai does have a 'J', Thai doesn't have a 'sh' sound.

This study is quite interesting on this topic, where I got the pic, sorry all in Thai:

http://www.acfs.go.th/standard/download/javaapple.pdf


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« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2018, 07:43:47 PM »
By the way in the south where I'm at, Chompuu is also the word for Guava.  :)
And Yawi is spelled Jawi so maybe Jambu is pronouned Yambu in native Malay.
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2018, 05:54:51 AM »
Not sure about in the USA, here it is quite easy to buy, always top grafted since this varieity is seedless.
ชมพู่ทับทิมจันทร์ - Chompuu Taptim Jun - if this was translated to English it might be named - Ruby Moon Java Apple, you can see it is the one in the middle top row of this picture:


Changing the intonation of Chompuu a bit is the word for Pink in Thai, but perhaps it is from Jambu, if Jambu is a Malay word perhaps it is a soft J?  It would have to pass through Yawi language to get here, knowing the Yawi word for Java Apple might be a clue if it is a borrowed wood.

Also Thai does have a 'J', Thai doesn't have a 'sh' sound.

This study is quite interesting on this topic, where I got the pic, sorry all in Thai:

http://www.acfs.go.th/standard/download/javaapple.pdf


Every chomphu in the picture is sweet but have to be lucky for good ones..they are as good as tubtim or better. We have this on the markets.

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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2018, 06:45:05 AM »
only Chompuu Tabtim at the markets here down south, usually if buy about 70% is sweet, the other 30% can be a bit bland.  Chilling them in the fridge seems to help sweeten them a bit.  I am not big on them because price usually 60-80/kg.  But every other kind of wild small Chompuu have in my neighborhood, they must have been popular 30-50 years ago.

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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2018, 11:57:56 AM »
does anyone sell the "tabtim" ?
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