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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2018, 10:15:56 AM »
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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2018, 10:21:20 AM »
Lots of people eat mango skin. Pretty common among mango connoisseurs. Mango neophytes are generally averse to eating the skin though.

Im not sure I would go that far.  While it may be a cultural thing for some and learned trait for othets, there are plenty who arr not neophytes who are averse to eating the skin.
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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2018, 10:41:12 AM »
Tone it down or you're going to be banned.

I have been eating mango skins since I was at least 3 years old and I have not had any ill effect. There are people who may have an allergy to mango skin, and those people should not eat mango skins then. It's the same as with any allergy. Should no one eat peanuts or drink milk because some people have allergic reactions to them?

I think you're the only one "spewing stupidity" here right now.

If I am spewing stupidity than obviously facts and truth are void in your head. This is not peanuts or milk so confusing the subject matter with that is totally foolish. Eating skins since 3 has nothing to do with anything either so go study and learn something on the subject matter. People have been eating lard since 3 and that doesn't make it smart either. It's about the same intelligence as you are showing here and now.

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2018, 10:51:54 AM »
If you are going to call others stupid, then you should really know the difference between "no" and "know," as well as "then" and "than." You should also probably know when you are spouting off to an administrator of the forum.  It's kind of like sending your employer an email saying, "Hay boss, you is dum!"
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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2018, 11:20:53 AM »
Typo Dee, I was on the phone writing this talking at the same time on the phone. Sometimes it happens but I think it was understandable still so get over it. What is more important is factual truth, try focusing on that!

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2018, 11:33:17 AM »
If you are going to call others stupid, then you should really know the difference between "no" and "know," as well as "then" and "than." You should also probably know when you are spouting off to an administrator of the forum.  It's kind of like sending your employer an email saying, "Hay boss, you is dum!"

That was written by your moderator, not myself. I did not have any typo's so you just called out your moderator for lacking proper use of the English language!

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2018, 11:49:24 AM »
If you are going to call others stupid, then you should really know the difference between "no" and "know," as well as "then" and "than." You should also probably know when you are spouting off to an administrator of the forum.  It's kind of like sending your employer an email saying, "Hay boss, you is dum!"

That was written by your moderator, not myself. I did not have any typo's so you just called out your moderator for lacking proper use of the English language!

"If I am spewing stupidity than obviously facts and truth are void in your head. This is not peanuts or milk so confusing the subject matter with that is totally foolish. Eating skins since 3 has nothing to do with anything either so go study and learn something on the subject matter. People have been eating lard since 3 and that doesn't make it smart either. It's about the same intelligence as you are showing here and now."

She was referring to your use of the "than" instead of "then". See bolded text. I don't think she was referring to my post, because while I do make mistakes, I don't see any misuse of then/than & know/no in my post.

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2018, 11:58:53 AM »
Iím a biologist/researcher with years of microbiology experience and years of studying nutrition. Iím calling you out for your ignorance.

Go re watch the video and see for yourself that Har says on the video that he thinks most people would prefer to remove the skin because it can be bitter.

A novice Mango eater would not likely have seen this video and even if they did, they would have heard Hars comment. A person that is familiar with eating mangos will know whether or not they are allergic to the urushiol in the skin.

You come onto this forum calling people, whom you donít know, stupid about a subject you know little about. When you slander someone on this forum that has personally helped me and that I personally know is extremely knowledgeable about mango eating and growing, Iím not going to just stand idly by.

Letís drop the name calling and focus on what brought us all to this forum.

I bet if we all sat down together and ate these 6 varieties of Mangos face to face, we would all be laughing together and explaining to each other why we do or donít like to eat the peel of mango.

Itís our diversity in culture and preferences on how we like to go eat fruit that has brought us so many different types of Mangos. Letís not judge a person by how they prefer to eat a mango.

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2018, 01:19:19 PM »
I think Simon just dropped the mike.


Back to the mango tasting. E-4 was one of my favorites this season. Iíve only tried Super Julie once, but I did like it a lot. I canít wait to try Butter Cream and Creme BrŻlťe.


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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2018, 03:10:46 PM »
Lots of people eat mango skin. Pretty common among mango connoisseurs. Mango neophytes are generally averse to eating the skin though.

Till your dumb ass gets dermatitis and you then realize you cannot do it any more because your skin is cracking on the corner of your mouth and won't stop. I have seen so many stupid posts you make but this one may be tops for the dumb ass of the year award, which is a crowded field so congrats on the win. Gain some knowledge on this subject before you spew stupidity for others to see.


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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2018, 04:13:39 PM »
You no this thread is better then actually having two work today. I thinks I'll grab some popcorn. Please continue....

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2018, 09:19:44 PM »
I thank many of you for your kind words!

For the other side, I also acknowledge that urushiol is a serious concern.  I apologize for failing to point out, while being videoed, that anyone who has ever suffered a body-wide allergic reaction to poison ivy, or an allergic reaction to mangos themselves, should probably not have any contact with mango skins, much less eat skins.  I do often say these things in person.

I say "probably" because I myself have always been subject to immediate skin burns from the sap of green-picked 'Tommy Atkins', 'Haden', and 'Ice Cream' mangos, and I do get throat irritation if I eat the skins of those varieties--- when commercially picking 'Tommy Atkins' in the late 1970's, I wore a KKK-type, modified pillowcase over my head to protect my face from burns.  So urushiol, and anything else that may be an issue, appears to vary a lot per type of mango.

I am also excruciatingly aware, from my own intolerance to some two-dozen healthy foods that I used to eat, that allergies don't generally arise from inappropriate consumption.

My dear wife who grew up eating mangos, and who avoided eating the skin of any kind of fruit---and bread crusts --- while working as my grafting assistant, became seriously allergic to contact with any part of mango fruits or plants, and to any smell of mango fruits or flowers.

So I can sympathize with the negative emotions expressed here, without agreeing to allow myself to be shepherded away from my own preferences.

"De gustibus, non disputandum est."  Likes aren't disputable.



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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2018, 12:05:07 AM »
Lots of people eat mango skin. Pretty common among mango connoisseurs. Mango neophytes are generally averse to eating the skin though.
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Depends on the mango, Ataulfo skin is so bitter, but mango cajeta skin is flavorless and crunchy so I always do the first one or two bytes with skin to overcome the sweetness of this mango..
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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 AM »
I thank many of you for your kind words!

For the other side, I also acknowledge that urushiol is a serious concern.  I apologize for failing to point out, while being videoed, that anyone who has ever suffered a body-wide allergic reaction to poison ivy, or an allergic reaction to mangos themselves, should probably not have any contact with mango skins, much less eat skins.  I do often say these things in person.

I say "probably" because I myself have always been subject to immediate skin burns from the sap of green-picked 'Tommy Atkins', 'Haden', and 'Ice Cream' mangos, and I do get throat irritation if I eat the skins of those varieties--- when commercially picking 'Tommy Atkins' in the late 1970's, I wore a KKK-type, modified pillowcase over my head to protect my face from burns.  So urushiol, and anything else that may be an issue, appears to vary a lot per type of mango.

I am also excruciatingly aware, from my own intolerance to some two-dozen healthy foods that I used to eat, that allergies don't generally arise from inappropriate consumption.

My dear wife who grew up eating mangos, and who avoided eating the skin of any kind of fruit---and bread crusts --- while working as my grafting assistant, became seriously allergic to contact with any part of mango fruits or plants, and to any smell of mango fruits or flowers.

So I can sympathize with the negative emotions expressed here, without agreeing to allow myself to be shepherded away from my own preferences.

"De gustibus, non disputandum est."  Likes aren't disputable.

Two or three summers ago I went on the group tour at Truly Tropical with you Har and I can confirm that you definitely repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly warned me & the group about the possibility of discovering that I may be allergic to eating mango skin that I previously had not been allergic (I informed you I had over 20 years of previous mango skin eating enjoyment with no problems ever for myself & I would gladly accept my rewards in this risk/reward moment of life), I had asked if ok to eat some of the dropped Hadens about to rot on the ground and you said that was ok... I think I ate 2 with the skin since they were pretty ripe and I was pretty hungry  :P ... Now I see that the Haden is one of the ones giving you a throat irritation....
https://www.jaci-inpractice.org/article/S2213-2198(16)30107-6/abstract
Possible to become sensitized to a food etc. with little to no reaction the first time.... Next time exposure can result in a big allergic reaction... Life is a Risk...Know your Risks and ways to lessen negative outcomes... epi pen, benadryl, etc. etc. etc.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4414527/


After watching the video, I see that I'm not the only person that has a hard time ranking or Even Remembering the best mangos of the season, especially as time goes by. And I see more and more, IMO there is really not a one best mango.

Cookie Monster has mentioned his 3 different ripeness times that he can eat his Nam Doc and I add my 4th option of eating the skin if desired and not allergic of course, plus the seasonal variation in rainfall & or irrigation, temperature, Plus the different fertilization/mulching/trace mineral/ph soil conditions/etc. etc. etc. programs attempted year to year... 4 ways x more than 6 other variables = more than 24 different potential opinions for one type mango tasting good/bad per mango season that you may experience on a year to year basis that your trying to remember???

As with Cookies Nam Doc.... there is no one perfect time to eat a mango.... It is up to the individual as what stage they prefer it...

It would probably be beneficial in all of our posts to help identify the IMO (Your) best time to eat a variety by listing it as skin stage ex. Green soft or Semi yellow-Green or Full yellow or yellow red etc. etc. etc.

I have purchased two of the six varieties in the video.  I like mango trees for early season, mid season, and late season.

By purchasing many different tasting mangos... citrus, lemon, orange, flat, zing, tropical punch, sweet, tart, acidic, floral, pineapple, pure sugar, lime, etc. etc. etc.,,,  I am often able to eat three different tastes during a sitting... And that is my goal for the best mango taste is many good mangos with each  hitting a specific taste bud point during a mango feast at a table...
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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2018, 06:32:40 AM »
All the kinds of mango that we have been discussing are varieties, of Mangifera indica.

Although other species of Mangifera could be justifiably called "mangos", we usually call them by other names to avoid confusion.
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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2018, 07:32:43 AM »
Har invented the Lisa atemoya and very knowing of all things tropical fruit.

I think the word you seek is eccentric.  Using stupid on someone that has forgotten more than most of us is not smart. 

I am not in favor of eating peelings on a taste test but his results were close to the others.

Eccentric means unusual habits that may be usual to them.  You can learn from fools and sages, itís a choice.  Har is a sage and they are usually the most eccentric of all. 

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2018, 07:44:11 AM »
Har invented the Lisa atemoya and very knowing of all things tropical fruit.

I think the word you seek is eccentric.  Using stupid on someone that has forgotten more than most of us is not smart. 

I am not in favor of eating peelings on a taste test but his results were close to the others.

Eccentric means unusual habits that may be usual to them.  You can learn from fools and sages, itís a choice.  Har is a sage and they are usually the most eccentric of all.

I think you meant "breeding to create"...  😉😜😂
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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2018, 11:29:13 AM »
  I was in Florida 2-3 weeks ago. Went to Zill HP 2x to purchase and also spoke to Gary ..quite a nice  man!
 Super Julie was my fav , then Sugar loaf not very far behind - I loved the shape of this - it's quite unusual and stays green , CrŤme de Blue ( very creamy and delicious also)
Those 3 really impressed!
 

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2018, 01:12:11 PM »
That should be Creme Brulee (and Sugarloaf if you want to get technical).  If grown closer to the coast, E4 (I am refusing to use Sugarloaf as its flavor base is not pineapple) will pick up some yellow coloration.


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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2018, 01:38:21 PM »
I was given some zill mangos by fruitscapes to try,I think they came from zill .They were a big disappointment ,I suspect pick to early,34/24 butter cream, harvestmoon,sweet tart ,they could not hold up to edward in taste in blind trial, good thing I did not use a dot it would been embarrassing

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2019, 08:14:06 PM »
That should be Creme Brulee (and Sugarloaf if you want to get technical).  If grown closer to the coast, E4 (I am refusing to use Sugarloaf as its flavor base is not pineapple) will pick up some yellow coloration.



how'd this yellow one taste?

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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2019, 09:08:51 PM »
I can only say that only a really stupid person would eat the skin.

Wow! Iím trying to read about mangos and come upon this post. No empathy for thy fellow man. This is what is wrong with society.
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Re: "Tasting 6 of Gary Zill's New mango varieties"
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2019, 09:44:27 AM »
Some avocado skin can be eaten. Fruits from my Brogdon tree, and trying to scoop out the flesh the other day I found out the skin is very thin and edible. The skin has no special taste. The skin is neutral.
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