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1. Season - PPK wins.  PPK is early when good varieties are harder to find.  As an early variety it may also sometimes set a 2nd crop.
2. Disease resistance - PPK likely wins here also as being a cleaner fruit.
3. Ripening - PPK wins. OS is prone to soft/jelly nose & quite noticeable uneven ripening.  All 3 I tried had it to some extent.
3. Flavor & Texture - This may boil down to personal preference, but I have to give it to PPK here also.  The uneven ripening of OS effects it's texture score.  OS has more of a Orange/Mango Capri-Sun juice flavor - not sherbet.  It is juicier & a tad sweeter than PPK.  PPK has a tart lemon pie filling texture flavor when a day under ripe and a sweet orange cream flavor when a day over ripe.  PPK is okay a bit under ripe, OS not so much as such PPK may have a slightly longer window for good flavor.  OS has a little classic mango flavor mixed in with the orange.  PPK not so much - it's pretty much just lemon/orange citrus.   
4. Shipping - It might be close but I would suspect that PPK would ship better also.


Summary: The flavor between the two is similar enough such that you probably don't need or want both trees especially if space is limited.  If the choice is between PPK & OS for buying and planting a tree I gotta go with PPK.  Alex/Squam at Tropical Acres told me he recommends growing PPK over OS also.  My advice don't rush out & buy an OS Sherbet tree till you have tasted it & done a fair comparison to PPK.   OS is a tasty fruit, but it ain't no "10".   There was absolutely no bias here as I was actually hoping that OS would even be better than PPK. 

Final Overall Score:  PPK 8.5..............OS 8.0


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« Last Edit: August 07, 2018, 03:28:01 PM by nighthawk0911@yahoo.com »
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OS no contest. PPK didnít even make the top 30 2018..... itís been a bad year

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OS no contest. PPK didnít even make the top 30 2018..... itís been a bad year

Really?  Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes.  PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.     
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I had OS from both mangomen and Zills. Came in third after homegrown 0-2 and Lemon Zest.
Didnít get to try ppk this year

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I agree that PPK is better, but with some caveats

1) Season: OS being later season allows one to spread out their orange and lemon mango happiness, so this is actually a good thing. You get PPK early, then LZ mid, then OS latish mid.

2) OS is actually pretty disease resistant.

3) Ripening: OS, when picked green, ripens very well. It must be picked mature green though.
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OS no contest. PPK didnít even make the top 30 2018..... itís been a bad year

Really?  Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes.  PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.     

Top selling does not make them the best.  Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population. 
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This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.
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PPK imo. I had several of both this year. I ate some tree ripened  PPK from F&S Park this year that were the best Iíve ever had. I mean just unbelievable

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OS no contest. PPK didnít even make the top 30 2018..... itís been a bad year

Really?  Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes.  PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.     

Top selling does not make them the best.  Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.

I agree with Rob, look at the rest of the top 5 sellers. Glenn and VP are nice Mangos but theyíre not top tier in my book. Flavor wise, I prefer Lemon Zest over PPK and Orange Sherbet. I have one last OS ripening in my garage so it still has a chance this year.

All three of these varieties are absolutely delicious and I have to have them all. I plan on grafting a bunch of multigraft trees with all three varieties. It will be interesting to see how far apart they ripen when grown on the same rootstock.

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I have 50 mature mango trees with 20+ varieties and 3 are PPK. These weren't by my choice the previous owner planted them. I don't have Orange Sherbet but did plant 10 Lemon Zest this spring. I sold as many mangoes as I could this season but my most requested was PPK. They are just so radically different they appeal even to folks who get 'jaded' by mangoes as the season progresses. I include myself in that category as I try to eat everything even windfalls.
Here in SW FL PPK seems to bloom early enough the past two seasons I had 3 flowering flushes so a long season which just ended a week ago.
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For me the descriptions of everything Nighthawk said was amazingly my thinking too. And at first I was confused about all the previous great talk on the Forum about OS.  BUT everyone I gave OS to raved about it. Itís a matter of taste. I planted 20 OS and was feeling like an idiot cause for me it wasnít so great. But the raving reviews from all my friends made me realize itís just me.

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It's actually backwards. It's common knowledge that one way to mitigate internal breakdown is to pick mature green. It's even mentioned in IFAS' "Mango Growing in the Home Landscape" article (scroll down to "Internal Breakdown" http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216).

I know this from experience -- having picked mangoes at various stages over the past few harvest seasons. Flavor is often enhanced by picking mature green.

OS is one mango that is very prone to internal breakdown disorders and should be picked mature green.

This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.
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For me the descriptions of everything Nighthawk said was amazingly my thinking too. And at first I was confused about all the previous great talk on the Forum about OS.  BUT everyone I gave OS to raved about it. Itís a matter of taste. I planted 20 OS and was feeling like an idiot cause for me it wasnít so great. But the raving reviews from all my friends made me realize itís just me.

It also varies with each season and there can even be huge variations in Fruit quality of fruit from the same tree. Early Fruit or Fruit that was harvested around the timeframe where heavy rains or overwatering occurred can be watered down in taste. Late season Fruit harvested in dry weather on the South facing side of the tree or the side of the tree that gets more sun can be sweeter and more flavorful.

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OS no contest. PPK didnít even make the top 30 2018..... itís been a bad year

Really?  Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes.  PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.     

Top selling does not make them the best.  Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.

LMAO - Rob never misses an opportunity to trash Carrie.  He must have had forced by his evil step-mother to eat Carries as a child.  Nobody is saying you have to like Carries bro, just be intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that it is a very popular mango with the majority of mango lovers.  It doesn't need immigrants from Jamaica or Bombay to prop it up.  Carrie is still my personal favorite & the one tree I would have if I could only have one.  Carrie & Glenn are probably what nurseries recommend the most for backyard varieties.  When my neighbors beg me for mangoes - it's the Carries they want.  You're a smart guy & you know it's true.
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It's actually backwards. It's common knowledge that one way to mitigate internal breakdown is to pick mature green. It's even mentioned in IFAS' "Mango Growing in the Home Landscape" article (scroll down to "Internal Breakdown" http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216).

I know this from experience -- having picked mangoes at various stages over the past few harvest seasons. Flavor is often enhanced by picking mature green.

OS is one mango that is very prone to internal breakdown disorders and should be picked mature green.

This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.



Sirry, I disagree 100%.  Any mango picked green will hae some level of acidity that one picked tree ripe wont have.  I have been picking these for many years at Walter's and have had the ability to try them at many stages.  To me and most who purchase from him (and those I have personally sold to, tree ripe rules.

I have eaten a ton of mangoes picked mature green from ZHPP, totally different experience and not usually in a good way.  If you look backbat many reciews on Gardenweb of the newer varieties that were numbers before they were named, the fruit were not given high praise.  The Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure, to name a couole, were horrid picked green.  Pina Colada could have been sold to the school board as teacher's chalk.

Bottom line, to each their own...BUT...mist that I have sold to  and shared with very much prefer tree ripe.  These are mangoes to be eaten niw, not shipped commercially.
- Rob

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OS no contest. PPK didnít even make the top 30 2018..... itís been a bad year

Really?  Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes.  PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.     

Top selling does not make them the best.  Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.

LMAO - Rob never misses an opportunity to trash Carrie.  He must have had forced by his evil step-mother to eat Carries as a child.  Nobody is saying you have to like Carries bro, just be intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that it is a very popular mango with the majority of mango lovers.  It doesn't need immigrants from Jamaica or Bombay to prop it up.  Carrie is still my personal favorite & the one tree I would have if I could only have one.  Carrie & Glenn are probably what nurseries recommend the most for backyard varieties.  When my neighbors beg me for mangoes - it's the Carries they want.  You're a smart guy & you know it's true.

I admit its popular to certain groups.  I will also admit a tray of 30 Carrie will sell no faster than a tray of 30 LZ, Peach Cobbler,  Pina Colada, E4, etc.
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It sounds like you're describing mangoes picked immature green (not mature green). A mango picked mature green takes 4 - 7 days to ripen, and there should be no discernible difference in acidity nor brix. If you pick immature green (ie, to where it takes 2+ weeks to ripen), then you will note more of an acid component and lower brix.

It does take a bit of practice to pick them mature green though. I still get it wrong more times than I care to admit. Ms Wenzel of Truly Tropical has many great videos where she details the characteristics she looks for when picking a mango -- on a cultivar by cultivar basis, as it does vary.

I use 4 main signals to determine mature green stage, in combination:

 - Time of year (cultivar dependent). For example, LZ can generally be picked starting sometime in July here in FL.
 - A color change from dark green to lighter green (a yellowing of the skin)
 - Firmness. A mature green fruit will have just a tiny bit of give when squeezed very hard (vs rock hard)
 - Size + shape (eg, shoulder fill -- largely cultivar dependent)

There is a difference in texture (ie, chalkiness) between a tree ripened mango and one ripened indoors. The former can be more watery / gelatinous, but I believe this is more a factor of potassium to calcium levels in the fruit (you can create the same texture by upping potassium and holding back on calcium).

With OS, you sort of have 2 options: pick mature green and get a delectable mango, or allow to tree ripen and eat a gelatinous ball of goop. Is it extremely susceptible to internal breakdown (even Walter complained about that). On good years, some of the fruit turn out OK. On bad years, most of the fruit get soft nose or jelly seed.

It's actually backwards. It's common knowledge that one way to mitigate internal breakdown is to pick mature green. It's even mentioned in IFAS' "Mango Growing in the Home Landscape" article (scroll down to "Internal Breakdown" http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216).

I know this from experience -- having picked mangoes at various stages over the past few harvest seasons. Flavor is often enhanced by picking mature green.

OS is one mango that is very prone to internal breakdown disorders and should be picked mature green.

This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.



Sirry, I disagree 100%.  Any mango picked green will hae some level of acidity that one picked tree ripe wont have.  I have been picking these for many years at Walter's and have had the ability to try them at many stages.  To me and most who purchase from him (and those I have personally sold to, tree ripe rules.

I have eaten a ton of mangoes picked mature green from ZHPP, totally different experience and not usually in a good way.  If you look backbat many reciews on Gardenweb of the newer varieties that were numbers before they were named, the fruit were not given high praise.  The Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure, to name a couole, were horrid picked green.  Pina Colada could have been sold to the school board as teacher's chalk.

Bottom line, to each their own...BUT...mist that I have sold to  and shared with very much prefer tree ripe.  These are mangoes to be eaten niw, not shipped commercially.
Jeff  :-)

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OS no contest. PPK didnít even make the top 30 2018..... itís been a bad year

Really?  Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes.  PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.     

Top selling does not make them the best.  Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.


I got more first hand testimony about the Carrie reputation in Florida within the lets say extended "Indian" community/  This fellow is from Bangladesh so all part of the subcontinent. He knew all about Carrie mango and got many off my tree including the last one. He came by a month ago with their childen and some in-laws and were taking selfie type photos as the children were directed which ripe Carrie mango to give a pull to and take off the tree.

Today I asked him why he and family like mangoes (not just Carrie) so much. He said because they are like candy. This is literally what he said. I am a huge Carrie fan myself and for lack of better words....... I am white old school American, so there!
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Iíve had about 10 PPK this year and was looking forward to eating them since they have always been on my top ten list for years....until this year. I received the fruits hard rock green and I waited until they yellowed up. The texture was gelatinous and the flavor underwhelming i was surprised and disappointed

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Who were they from?

Iíve had about 10 PPK this year and was looking forward to eating them since they have always been on my top ten list for years....until this year. I received the fruits hard rock green and I waited until they yellowed up. The texture was gelatinous and the flavor underwhelming i was surprised and disappointed
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Who were they from?

Iíve had about 10 PPK this year and was looking forward to eating them since they have always been on my top ten list for years....until this year. I received the fruits hard rock green and I waited until they yellowed up. The texture was gelatinous and the flavor underwhelming i was surprised and disappointed
from a friend in Florida zhpp I believe

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Excuse my ignorance, but what does PPK stand for? Thanks.

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PPK (Lemon Meringue) over OS for me. Of all the mango trees in my backyard, and I have 18, the mango most in demand among friends in the U.S. and even among relatives (I have taken Carrie, Bailey's Marvel, Maha Chanok, PPK and Edgar to India during my vacations), is PPK.

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It's actually backwards. It's common knowledge that one way to mitigate internal breakdown is to pick mature green. It's even mentioned in IFAS' "Mango Growing in the Home Landscape" article (scroll down to "Internal Breakdown" http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216).

I know this from experience -- having picked mangoes at various stages over the past few harvest seasons. Flavor is often enhanced by picking mature green.

OS is one mango that is very prone to internal breakdown disorders and should be picked mature green.

This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.



Sirry, I disagree 100%.  Any mango picked green will hae some level of acidity that one picked tree ripe wont have.  I have been picking these for many years at Walter's and have had the ability to try them at many stages.  To me and most who purchase from him (and those I have personally sold to, tree ripe rules.

I have eaten a ton of mangoes picked mature green from ZHPP, totally different experience and not usually in a good way.  If you look backbat many reciews on Gardenweb of the newer varieties that were numbers before they were named, the fruit were not given high praise.  The Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure, to name a couole, were horrid picked green.  Pina Colada could have been sold to the school board as teacher's chalk.

Bottom line, to each their own...BUT...mist that I have sold to  and shared with very much prefer tree ripe.  These are mangoes to be eaten niw, not shipped commercially.


I have to agree 100% with bsbullie. The whole reason I started planting my own trees was that I was tired of under ripe/picked green fruit. Now I have 150 mango trees alone.
Quentin

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Excuse my ignorance, but what does PPK stand for? Thanks.

Po Pyu Kalay, from Myanmar/Burma.  Also called "Lemon Meringue."  My question: Who came up with the name "LM?"  Was it the Zills?
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