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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2018, 02:12:32 PM »
Looking back at my top ten list for this year they are all Zills

He doesnít mention the Ceci Love that Gary created and Dr Campbell selected as per his wants  It is a great mango.

If CL is to be sold Zills will most likely do the grafting as Doc is a grower not a nursery






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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2018, 02:18:30 PM »
Looking back at my top ten list for this year they are all Zills

He doesnít mention the Ceci Love that Gary created and Dr Campbell selected as per his wants  It is a great mango.

If CL is to be sold Zills will most likely do the grafting as Doc is a grower not a nursery

someone said Ceci Love is available on USDA, does anyone know about its corresponding Zills number?

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2018, 02:22:46 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2018, 02:43:01 PM »
Thanks

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2018, 02:55:29 PM »
That's an awesome video.

Note that he mentions the importance of calcium.
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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2018, 07:54:36 PM »
Amazing he planted 3000 seeds in one summer for three summers

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2018, 09:56:52 PM »
Working on my own selection project, just happy my wife is supporting because itís taking up a significant amount of space on our patio. Have various diff types of my favorites I ate this year.




Iím particularly excited about some of the seedling lemon meringue Iíve got going on with noticeably varying growth habit and foliage, here is an ex of orange sherbet one is normal vigor compared to one with stunted dwarfish growth.

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2018, 10:17:45 PM »
Working on my own selection project, just happy my wife is supporting because itís taking up a significant amount of space on our patio. Have various diff types of my favorites I ate this year.




Iím particularly excited about some of the seedling lemon meringue Iíve got going on with noticeably varying growth habit and foliage, here is an ex of orange sherbet one is normal vigor compared to one with stunted dwarfish growth.

-Joep450

We have something similar going on our patio. What do you plan to do with multiple growth from the poly seeds? As of now we're letting them all grow. Just not sure of the best way to deal with that and which may be the clone of the mother..

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 10:41:41 PM »
For the most part Iím culling the vigorous ones and keeping the runts, I want to try and see if I can take great poly mangos like bolt, sweet tart, orange essence, wester, Pina colada which produce multi shoots and select out the runts. For the most part flavor is already incredible how can one improve any further? ....but I think maybe the angle is to get a great tasting mango in smaller tree. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2018, 10:47:50 AM »
For the most part Iím culling the vigorous ones and keeping the runts, I want to try and see if I can take great poly mangos like bolt, sweet tart, orange essence, wester, Pina colada which produce multi shoots and select out the runts. For the most part flavor is already incredible how can one improve any further? ....but I think maybe the angle is to get a great tasting mango in smaller tree. 🤷‍♂️


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very nice to see lot of folks on this forum now have great collection of upcoming to be "top tiers" once they fruit. biggest collection of all might be with Mike T @ down under. I have several too, two are about to fruit next year, they bloomed this year in vane.

always tag name of parent seed and keep tags until fruiting, then if superior or different but excellent, then give it a name, spread wood around. otherwise topwork it.

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2018, 11:00:50 AM »
For the most part Iím culling the vigorous ones and keeping the runts, I want to try and see if I can take great poly mangos like bolt, sweet tart, orange essence, wester, Pina colada which produce multi shoots and select out the runts. For the most part flavor is already incredible how can one improve any further? ....but I think maybe the angle is to get a great tasting mango in smaller tree. 🤷‍♂️


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very nice to see lot of folks on this forum now have great collection of upcoming to be "top tiers" once they fruit. biggest collection of all might be with Mike T @ down under. I have several too, two are about to fruit next year, they bloomed this year in vane.

always tag name of parent seed and keep tags until fruiting, then if superior or different but excellent, then give it a name, spread wood around. otherwise topwork it.
Mr. Zill has taken the mango to a whole different level with his outstanding creations. Backyard growers should follow Leo Manuelís advice and plant any mango you love and wait a few years for it to fruit. Here in Southern California it doesnít take 10 years for a seedling to fruit in 3 years youíll have fruits.

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2018, 11:33:39 AM »
For the most part Iím culling the vigorous ones and keeping the runts, I want to try and see if I can take great poly mangos like bolt, sweet tart, orange essence, wester, Pina colada which produce multi shoots and select out the runts. For the most part flavor is already incredible how can one improve any further? ....but I think maybe the angle is to get a great tasting mango in smaller tree. 🤷‍♂️


-Joep450

very nice to see lot of folks on this forum now have great collection of upcoming to be "top tiers" once they fruit. biggest collection of all might be with Mike T @ down under. I have several too, two are about to fruit next year, they bloomed this year in vane.

always tag name of parent seed and keep tags until fruiting, then if superior or different but excellent, then give it a name, spread wood around. otherwise topwork it.
Mr. Zill has taken the mango to a whole different level with his outstanding creations. Backyard growers should follow Leo Manuelís advice and plant any mango you love and wait a few years for it to fruit. Here in Southern California it doesnít take 10 years for a seedling to fruit in 3 years youíll have fruits.

Or u cud also visit JF backyard's to get an idea on how its done.

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2018, 01:39:20 PM »
I had the chance to speak with Gary this summer.  His dedication and results are the stuff living legends produce.  I said donít take it the wrong way, but your work wonít be fully appreciated in your lifetime. 

ďWhen an author dies, a reader is born.Ē

The next big thing is selecting superior fruit off types and grafting onto already mature trees...

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2018, 04:03:56 PM »
10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.
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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2018, 04:29:51 PM »
Awesome video, so much respect and appreciation for the work Gary Zill has done. Now we can all reap the rewards, and some build upon to develop new top tier fruits. I'll keep grafting the good ones, glad ya'll are out there doing the footwork for the rest of us. 

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2018, 04:33:20 PM »
:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.
Jeff  :-)

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2018, 06:31:24 PM »
What different sources did he use for seeds?

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2018, 08:00:46 PM »
:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.

6ft actually!

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2018, 09:59:20 PM »
Yikes!

:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.

6ft actually!
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2018, 03:46:09 PM »
i had one Phoenix on my tree this year and I loved it

The mix of sweet and sour flavors reminded me of a refined sweet tart with a mix of others goodness

But E-4 and LemonZest were even better tasting

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2018, 04:43:46 PM »
I have 180 trees planted on roughly 1 acre. My spacing is 15ft.  1 acre = 40,000 sqft, 5 acres = 200,000 sqft, 1000 trees on 200,000 sqft = 200 sqft per tree. If entire 5 acres was used and the trees are planted in a square pattern, they could be planted 14ft apart.



Yikes!

:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.

6ft actually!
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2018, 05:56:31 PM »
Aha. That would be 10 feet apart in-row and 14 feet between rows. A little tight, but I guess it would work. Also assumes a perfectly square plot, and you'd lose a tree space per row (along the axis where you're staggering them). But the an acre has 43,xxx sq feet, so you have an extra 3k+ square feet, which would make up for most of the row stagger loss.

I was only able to fit about 38 trees on a 1/4 acre plot, but I used 15 foot spacing (both in row and between row).

I have 180 trees planted on roughly 1 acre. My spacing is 15ft.  1 acre = 40,000 sqft, 5 acres = 200,000 sqft, 1000 trees on 200,000 sqft = 200 sqft per tree. If entire 5 acres was used and the trees are planted in a square pattern, they could be planted 14ft apart.



Yikes!

:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.

6ft actually!
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2018, 09:12:17 PM »
I have 180 trees planted on roughly 1 acre. My spacing is 15ft.  1 acre = 40,000 sqft, 5 acres = 200,000 sqft, 1000 trees on 200,000 sqft = 200 sqft per tree. If entire 5 acres was used and the trees are planted in a square pattern, they could be planted 14ft apart.



Yikes!

:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.

6ft actually!

Brendon is correct. I used the wrong shortcut on my calc. 43,560 sf per acre with perfect spacing is just shy of 15ft for 1000 trees per 5 acres.

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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2018, 09:32:22 PM »
The efforts that the Zills put into their Mango breeding program is incredible. Their emphasis on superior taste is what amazes me most. If they chose instead to focus their efforts on a commercial Mango, many if not all of the top ten Zill creations might not be here for us to enjoy today.

Unfortunately, much of the world only knows about Tommy Atkins, Kent, Haden and NDM. Even so, people enjoy eating mangos. The members of the Tropical Fruit Forum are fortunate enough to be amongst the first to hear/taste new Zill varieties and it would be awesome if we shared our experiences and Mangos with Mango neophytes so that they can become more familiar with the New Developments in Mangos.

Iím personally growing many mango seeds, mostly from Polyembryonic mango seeds and inevitably, a zygotic seedling will arise from these plantingís with a very small possibility that it will be an improvement over the maternal parent which bore the fruit.

These zygotic seedlings will have at least 50% of its genes from the maternal parent. If other seed growers are like me, they only plant the best varieties in their yard and with a bit of luck, the pollinating parent for such zygotic seedling will come these top varieties.

What would a Lemon Zest crossed with a Sweet Tart or PiŮa Colada taste like? What about an E4 or M4 crosses with a Pineapple Pleasure?

When I plant my seedlings, Iím not only fantasizing about the possibility of new flavor profiles but Iím also hoping for an increase in size of the fruit for Mangos that tend to be smaller, such as PiŮa Colada Mangos. Iím also hoping for Mangos that can hang on the tree longer, have a larger window period for optimal eating and Mangos that can be picked mature green to be shipped.

In a small backyard setting, these are just fantasies that will likely only Fruit when Iím in deep R.E.M. sleep but backyard growers like Leo Manuel and his success in selecting excellent eating mangos that taste excellent and produce very well in our climate gives me hope and the realization that lightening in fact sometimes does strike, sometimes twice.

Simon



 

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