grafting Garcinias

[Tomas]

Hello,

Does anyone know what works and what doesn't work in terms of rootstock selection for Garcinia species? I am particilarly interested in rootstock compability of these Garcinias:

G. madruno
G. prainiana
G. mangostana
G. macrophylla
achachairu
Mexican garcinia

Thanks in advance for any help.

Tomas

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Tomas,

Im certain they are all compatible with each other...but some will be better than others I assume.


I could be wrong, but this was always my impression..

I was just thinking of grafting garcinias to! U R psychic!

PS seems like saddle graft, or inverted cleft graft, is the preferred way to graft mangosteen and relatives...I've never tried, just seen Bill Whitmans book and pictures of when he did it.

[Tomas]

Hi Adam,

With "each other" you mean any Garcinia would more or less work to graft with any other Garcinia as rootstock, or do you mean grafting onto the same species?

Tomas

[Berto]

Tomas,
I would talk with our common friend, Steve.  According to Steve, garcinias do not do well when grafted! Steve used to go on overseas trips with Bill Whitman looking for fruits to bring to Florida, and he knows a bit about grafting garcinias.

[Ethan]

I wonder if garcinia on rheedia (old name) and vice versa is compatible?  I agree w/Berto, grafted might not be better when it comes to garcinia?  We saw older grafted mangosteens next to seedling trees and the grafted ones showed much less vigor in growth and fruit production.  I own a grafted Brasiliensis and Macrophylla, perhaps it was recovering from bare rooting but the Brasiliensis took a year to push a new leaf and that was below the graft.  It has finally pushed about 3 new leaves from above the graft almost 1.5 years later.  The Macro has faired a little better pushing a set of new leaves after 6 months.  The grafts are cleft/wedge, I dont know the rootstock but I would guess it to be Brasiliensis, madrono or macro?

good luck,
-Ethan

[TropicalFruitHunters]

Everyone above is spot on.  I don't believe it makes much difference what any one is grafted onto.  Piss poor performance.  Many of these plants already fruit much sooner than a mangosteen so there probably isn't a lot to gain from that anyway.  I'm betting a grafted mangosteen would benefit having several multiple rootstocks to boost vigor...such as you would see on Dizon's site.  Only one way to be sure and that is to do this with both a grafted plant and seedling plant.  Good luck finding a nice, grafted specimen, but there should be a few places that sell seedlings for material.

[Tomas]

Hi,

Very good information! Thanks. I was mostly thinking about grafting Garcinia because sometimes you find that one-in-a-million tree with fruits
to die for. Maybe not all Garcinia species have a noticeable variation, but I have learned that some Garcinias do.

Tomas

[fruitlovers]

Everyone above is spot on.  I don't believe it makes much difference what any one is grafted onto.  Piss poor performance.  Many of these plants already fruit much sooner than a mangosteen so there probably isn't a lot to gain from that anyway.  I'm betting a grafted mangosteen would benefit having several multiple rootstocks to boost vigor...such as you would see on Dizon's site.  Only one way to be sure and that is to do this with both a grafted plant and seedling plant.  Good luck finding a nice, grafted specimen, but there should be a few places that sell seedlings for material.

What is to be gained by grafting in many cases is that it is the only way you are going to propagate the plant. For example a friend in Brazil wanted cherapu, but i didn't have any seeds, so i sent him scions, which he grafted onto Rheedia  and they took. Also you can segregate the sexes easily this way: i can send him female scions marked separately from male, so he gets the right proportion. Similarly he will send me in future Bacuri (Platonia insignis) to graft onto some Rheedias here. Bacuri seeds are very difficult to send as they are large, don't spout well and also this plant can be very invasive. So if i can get it going on a tamer rootstock it would be great. Yes this is one of those exceptions were inter-genus grafting happily does work!
In general it's safer to try to graft Rheedias onto Rheedias and old world Garcinias onto old world Garcinias. But as you can see from above examples there can be exceptions. In general the Garcinias are a lot more picky as to rootstock than are the Rheedias. Mangosteen can be grafted onto G. hombroniana and G. xanthochymus. But succesful grafting is not enough, you need to pick right part of plant to graft onto rootstock.For example, if you use a mangosteen lateral you will only get lateral (horizontal) growth. There is a lot of debate in the literature as to how helpful grafting of mangosteen is. In Thailand they do it succesfuly. I saw grafted mangosteen trees fruiting in pots at the Chantaburri experimental station.
Oscar

[murahilin]

Mangosteen can be grafted onto G. hombroniana and G. xanthochymus. But succesful grafting is not enough, you need to pick right part of plant to graft onto rootstock.For example, if you use a mangosteen lateral you will only get lateral (horizontal) growth. There is a lot of debate in the literature as to how helpful grafting of mangosteen is. In Thailand they do it succesfuly. I saw grafted mangosteen trees fruiting in pots at the Chantaburri experimental station.
Oscar

In Puerto Rico we were shown fields of grafted mangosteens that were planted out 12 years ago that were probably 5ft and under while the seedling grown trees were all much larger and full of fruit. I wonder if lateral branch grafting was the problem with those trees. Are your mangosteen trees grafted or seedling?

[fruitlovers]

Mangosteen can be grafted onto G. hombroniana and G. xanthochymus. But succesful grafting is not enough, you need to pick right part of plant to graft onto rootstock.For example, if you use a mangosteen lateral you will only get lateral (horizontal) growth. There is a lot of debate in the literature as to how helpful grafting of mangosteen is. In Thailand they do it succesfuly. I saw grafted mangosteen trees fruiting in pots at the Chantaburri experimental station.
Oscar

In Puerto Rico we were shown fields of grafted mangosteens that were planted out 12 years ago that were probably 5ft and under while the seedling grown trees were all much larger and full of fruit. I wonder if lateral branch grafting was the problem with those trees. Are your mangosteen trees grafted or seedling?

My own planted mangosteen trees, about 30 of them, are all seedling trees.
Oscar