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Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« on: October 01, 2018, 02:46:19 PM »
Hi all
I keep hearing about this one for long time

Anyone have any experience with this one?

Thanks

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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2018, 05:05:34 PM »
Hi,
Im trying to experiment with all cafeinated Ilex species - Yaupon (I. vomitoria), mate (I. paraguariensis) and wayusa (I. guayusa). They need very different conditions for succesfull groving, Yaupon and Mate tolerate subtropical conditions well, while wauysa need more heat and humidity. ;)

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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2018, 01:37:21 AM »
Hi all
I keep hearing about this one for long time

Anyone have any experience with this one?

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Yes i'm growing it, thanks to Fruitdork (MicAh). What do you want to know?
Have yerba mate and guayusa growing side by side and both doing well at my location.
Oscar

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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2018, 07:05:51 AM »
Hi all
I keep hearing about this one for long time

Anyone have any experience with this one?

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Yes i'm growing it, thanks to Fruitdork (MicAh). What do you want to know?
Have yerba mate and guayusa growing side by side and both doing well at my location.

I would like to try them both.
Do you sell cutting or seeds?
I would like to try them as Tea source

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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2018, 04:19:36 PM »
Hi,
Im trying to experiment with all cafeinated Ilex species - Yaupon (I. vomitoria), mate (I. paraguariensis) and wayusa (I. guayusa). They need very different conditions for succesfull groving, Yaupon and Mate tolerate subtropical conditions well, while wauysa need more heat and humidity. ;)

Interesting - I've been thinking about going into Ilex species, as you get a lot of yield relative to how much area / light you give them and don't need to bring them to flowering / fruiting. You omitted one that I know of: I. tarapotina (T mate).  But I have no clue how you'd get ahold of it. It's from Peru.

https://www.gbif.org/species/5533911
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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2018, 05:37:05 PM »
Also I. cassine is interesting, it has some theobromine content in its leaves. Very easy to keep. I know I. tarapotina, but it is not easy to get live plants :) Next year I will try to prepare some young plants from Yaupon, Wayusa and Mate.  This year only one fruit on Mate and birds were faster than me so no any material for sowing :-\ 

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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2018, 07:17:57 PM »
Well, if you're adding in non-caffeinated Ilex species then you can't forget Ilex kaushue, aka large-leaved kudingcha (I. latifolia sometimes used interchangeably).  Very interesting chemical profile with it too  :)

Is vegetative propagation preferable for all Ilex species?  I know it's the most common approach  with I. paraguariensis, but that seeds are occasionally used as well.  I ask because live plants are a hundred times more difficult to get here (unless they come from Europe) than seeds.
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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2018, 01:39:35 AM »
Well, if you're adding in non-caffeinated Ilex species then you can't forget Ilex kaushue, aka large-leaved kudingcha (I. latifolia sometimes used interchangeably).  Very interesting chemical profile with it too  :)

Is vegetative propagation preferable for all Ilex species?  I know it's the most common approach  with I. paraguariensis, but that seeds are occasionally used as well.  I ask because live plants are a hundred times more difficult to get here (unless they come from Europe) than seeds.
Seeds of I. paraguariensis (yerba mate) have a very short shelf life. Can be done if you get very fresh seeds. Once you have the plants much easier and faster to do air layers. Cuttings work also, but amount of take is low.
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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2018, 04:49:03 PM »
Yes, you are right Oscar :) cuttings are faster but a lot of material is necessary... If you think abut seeds, hollies are usually dioecious so you need male and female plant  - not easy way
Wayusa take much better from cuttings than Mate for me. Cuttings are common way to propagate this species in Ecuador. But much decorative and I think easy for cultivate or propagate is Yaupon and it is native in US

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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2018, 05:59:08 PM »
Yes, you are right Oscar :) cuttings are faster but a lot of material is necessary... If you think abut seeds, hollies are usually dioecious so you need male and female plant  - not easy way
Wayusa take much better from cuttings than Mate for me. Cuttings are common way to propagate this species in Ecuador. But much decorative and I think easy for cultivate or propagate is Yaupon and it is native in US
Yerba mate is dioecious. I started with just one plant and propagated from that. So they all flower, but don't form any seeds.
I noticed when i Ecuador that they sell bags of guayuasa for tea in some stores. Had never seen it sold commercially before that.
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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2019, 03:59:51 PM »
Yes, you are right Oscar :) cuttings are faster but a lot of material is necessary... If you think abut seeds, hollies are usually dioecious so you need male and female plant  - not easy way
Wayusa take much better from cuttings than Mate for me. Cuttings are common way to propagate this species in Ecuador. But much decorative and I think easy for cultivate or propagate is Yaupon and it is native in US
Yerba mate is dioecious. I started with just one plant and propagated from that. So they all flower, but don't form any seeds.
I noticed when i Ecuador that they sell bags of guayuasa for tea in some stores. Had never seen it sold commercially before that.

When you use the yerba mate for teas is it the leaf or the beans? 
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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2019, 09:59:37 PM »
Yerba mate tea is made from the leaves. At least that's how I do it.

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2019, 02:58:34 AM »
Traditionally, both leaves and stems.

I'm still getting used to the taste.  I have some mate, guayusa, and yaupon, they all taste pretty similar to me: like grass.  I've been blending a bit of unsweetened chai in when I brew it; I like the effect that the spices have on the taste.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2019, 09:46:32 AM »
Im just trying to understand the male female thing and if it matters.  Sounds like no it doesnt matter unless you want beans.  Which no one uses?  Oscar was saying he was looking for a male plant.  Was just curious why?  It seems like most of the plants available online in the US are tissue cultures.  Probably all from agristarts.
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Re: Trying again - anybody growing Ilex guayusa?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2019, 03:47:09 AM »
Im just trying to understand the male female thing and if it matters.  Sounds like no it doesnt matter unless you want beans.  Which no one uses?  Oscar was saying he was looking for a male plant.  Was just curious why?  It seems like most of the plants available online in the US are tissue cultures.  Probably all from agristarts.
Yerba mate does not make beans, as it is not a legume. The plants make male and female flowers on separate plants, so if you want seed pods then you need both in order to have pollinated flowers. For drinking tea it does not matter which gender of plant you have.
Oscar

 

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