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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2012, 07:00:38 PM »
Looks like the mango trees are located in a great micro climate. I can see in the picture that there is a lower elevation area below the mangoes. I am assuming that the cold air sinks down to the lower areas, keeping the higher areas warmer by a good amount.

This woman (I presume husband too) created the more humid micro-climates to make a South California hillside more jungle like so more hospitable to mangoes and other tropical fruits. Hills are well ventilated so the task was even more difficult

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2012, 07:03:16 PM »
Zands,

Very interesting, I figured there was a good deal of earthworks and planning involved on making the mangoes so happy. I would love to check out the trees sometime in the future, it looks amazing.
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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2012, 07:43:14 PM »
Zands,

Very interesting, I figured there was a good deal of earthworks and planning involved on making the mangoes so happy. I would love to check out the trees sometime in the future, it looks amazing.

The Israelis have turned large areas from dry and arid nothings into forests via drip irrigation and precise scientific tree plantings. It takes a while but eventually the trees make the air more humid and the land supports more life on the ground, in the trees. More animals and insects. You create a virtuous circle with more water in it. More water = more life.
The same can be done all over the world's dry and forsaken regions

I notice that Mrs Messier is using drip irrigation. 
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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2012, 12:44:54 AM »
Very nice pics Ethan and Cuban007! I want to thank all three of you for a very enjoyable afternoon. I received a call from Eunice today thanking us for the Cuban sandwich. I discuss with her the possibility of propagating her carnival mango with La Verne Nursery. She said some years ago a representative from La Verne visit her orchard and express some interest but ended up taking budwood from her elixir cherimoya and NDM mango which they soon after propagated. I will be visiting her again in a few week to evaluate her carnival mango in the meantime I would like to hear a review from each of you fellas. I tried to dip up some of her articles from the Fruit Gardener Magazine were she was a contributing editor for many years but for some reason all the archive were erased. Here is an article she email me from 2003 for our local.

Requested short talk on a favorite fruit for the October 2003 Orange County chapter.meeting.


Eunice Messner



MANGOS REFLECT MORE FEMININE TRAITS THAN THOSE OF A MALE


YOU COULD SAY MANGOS ARE ‘JUST LIKE A WOMAN’.


SHE HAS TO BE--- ‘IN THE MOOD’


AND SHE ISN’T IN THE MOOD UNLESS THE TEMPERATURES RANGE IS 77–86deg.

DURING FLOWERING AND FRUIT DEVELOPMENT TIME.


AFTER THAT, MANGOS LIKE IT MODERATELY HOT FOR FRUIT DEVELOPMENT.


HOW CAN WE KEEP THE ROMANCE GOING UNDER OUR CONDITIONS?


JANUARY TEASINGLY PROMISES A GREAT TIME–LOTS OF WARM DAYS AND FLOWERS START TO DEVELOP, BUT THEN–ALONG COMES THE COLD AND OUR WINTER RAINS AND THE FEMALES IN THE INFLORESCENCE SAY “No, Way”.


BLOSSOMS CONTAIN SOME FEMALE, SOME MALE AND SOME PERFECT FLOWERS


THE BEST POLLINATION IS ASSISTED BY FLIES, WASPS, BEETLES, BUTTERFLIES

AND ANTS.

BEES DON’T FIND THE FLOWER THAT ATTRACTIVE— BUT THEN INSECTS DON’T LIKE THIS WEATHER EITHER. IT DOES HELP TO HAVE OTHER MANGO TREES NEARBY.


BUT, IT’S NOT HOPELESS, IT’S JUST A CASE OF FINDING A TREE (OR A PARTNER) THAT WILL PUT UP WITH YOUR CONDITIONS.


MOST MATURE MANGO TREES ARE ALTERNATE BEARERS, BUT I HAVE ONE MANGO THAT ALWAYS FRUITS—THOMSON.


I DON’T KNOW IF IT HAS MORE FEMALE FLOWERS


MORE PERFECT FLOWERS THAN OTHERS–


OR, IF IT JUST TOLERATES LOWER TEMPERATURES.


MANGOS ARE JUST TEMPERMENTAL. Period.


NAM DOC MAI IS IN THE MOOD ALL THE TIME, BUT SOME CONDITION IS MISSING TO MAKE IT HOLD IT FRUIT. (At least for me.)


MANGOS OFTEN FLOWER A SECOND TIME IF THERE IS NO FRUIT SET IN THE FIRST BLOSSOM PERIOD.


Dr. FALKENSTEIN IN ARIZONA WAITS UNTIL ABOUT 10% OF THE FIRST BLOSSOMS HAVE SET AND THEN HE CUTS THEM OFF AND LETS THEM BLOOM AGAIN. BY THEN THE WEATHER IS STARTING TO GET A BIT WARMER.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH 2 to 3 YR. OLD GRAFTED MANGO TREES WHO WANT THEIR TREE WELL ESTABLISHED BEFORE IT FRUITS; DON’T CUT OFF THE BLOSSOMS UNTIL A FEW VERY TINY FRUIT HAVE SET OR, THE TREE WILL BLOOM AGAIN AND AGAIN AND BLOOM ITSELF TO DEATH.


ANOTHER PROBLEM, OUR COLD WET WINTERS PROMOTE MILDEW WHICH IS DETRIMENTAL TO BLOSSOM SET

BEFORE MILDEW APPEARS FOLIAR SPRAY WITH WETTABLE SULFUR , COPPER, OR EVEN MILK.

IF MILDEW OCCURS, A BLAST OF WATER MAY HELP TO CONTROL IT.


LAST OF ALL, IF YOU WANT MANGOS, KEEP YOUR FINGERS—not your legs--- KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2012, 02:38:51 AM »
JF,

The lady does not just have green thumbs for mangoes, she also has wits and flare as a writer.  I thoroughly enjoy reading your post.  I have learned a lot from reading her article.  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2012, 01:24:55 PM »
JF,

You mention returning to sample the Carnival mangoes in a couple of weeks.  Is there any chance of joining the group for that visit?  I only ask because I'm not far away, and am trying to grow some socal mangoes of my own.  Thanks for the great posts of Mrs. Messner's orchard!

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2012, 06:39:42 PM »
well - guess I'm the last of the group to chime in.  Thanks again, JF, for organizing this little
Tour deJour!!!  Nice to see 007 again and meet Ethan.  As the group has stated, Eunice was
very generous with her time and mangos, and even baked us some cookies that we ate in
her living room after the Thomson mango appetizers.....

I took a couple scions of the marvelous looking Carnival Mango, and grafted them today.  It really is
even more beautiful to look at in person.  And No, Tim, my mangos don't get sunburned out here as
I'm guessing the skin has lots of time to toughen up through the long hot blazing summers we have
out here in Palm Springs.  I know it's past season, but I'm going to see if I can get anything to take
in the next few weeks while we still have warm weather...I'll let you guys know....

Eunice's location was ideal.  She told us that since those concrete walkways and sort of flat concrete sections
were put in, she's had no frost damage, and as a few people mentioned and observed, her hillside
orchard must drain the cold air nicely down to the back of her property.

All in all, a great time......thanks again you three......


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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2012, 06:48:56 PM »
pardon me if this has already been talked about on this thread...but what are the minimum temps that these mangoes have endured?

the reason I ask is because they are so short, and one tree looks like cold girdled it's trunk, splitting the bark...but it recovered.

sorry if I'm mistaken...and thanks in advance for the info and wonderful post.
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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2012, 12:35:51 AM »
Adam I highly doubt that they experience any frost in Anaheim Hills. The split or seperation on the trunk is something that I have seen in other mature mango trees. It looked very normal to me.

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2012, 01:07:56 AM »
Great Great Great! Love the whole thing, pictures and all!  Awesome to know someone has grown such beautiful mango tree specimens  in California. I hope to succeed here in NorCal..   That papaya is beyond impressive!  I think I should move to SoCal one day.. lol.  ;D

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2012, 09:54:17 AM »
Wow! Amazing pictures!

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2012, 10:01:55 AM »
thanks for info cuban007!

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2012, 11:54:10 AM »
pardon me if this has already been talked about on this thread...but what are the minimum temps that these mangoes have endured?

the reason I ask is because they are so short, and one tree looks like cold girdled it's trunk, splitting the bark...but it recovered.

sorry if I'm mistaken...and thanks in advance for the info and wonderful post.


winter months are very mild...... day time temps 70F night time temps 50....you have a handful of nights where the temps drop below 40F but only for a couple of hours. They do have widespread gusts during the year but it has been pretty good this year.

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2012, 11:58:40 AM »
I'm going to remember how these mangoes were pruned!

looks like how they should be pruned!

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2012, 12:16:32 PM »
I'm going to remember how these mangoes were pruned!

looks like how they should be pruned!

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Eunice top work all of those trees......they are sitting on 30 year old rootstock..... richard campbell keeps them that size at the fairchild farm

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2012, 02:46:38 PM »
Beautiful Calif mango orchard. You guys did a great job in showing the place off.
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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2012, 01:40:47 AM »
I lamented a while back the absence of experience mango growers from Socal in this forum.....I mention Eunice, Jim Neitzel and Leo Manual, among others. these pics are dedicated to all the new Socal mango growers in this forum. It would be nice if our CRFG friends from San Diego, Simon or Tim, our Global Moderator, could hook us up with some pictures of their orchard.

OK, I know I keep saying it but I will really really try to post pics very soon.  I did a test post about a month ago and found out that it is much easier to post pics on this forum than on GW so I have no excuse not to post pics. Just a warning that my yard is extremely small and I know that I planted my plants way too close together but I have no options as I have no room.  When my garden fills in, I will have no sunlight. 

Does anyone happen to know which variety of mango is Eunice's favorite?  I can't believe how many mangoes she has on her Edward!  I wonder if her Edwards taste similar to the ones produced in Florida?  It really threw me for a loop when Leo Manuel told me that he did not like the taste of Edward.  Does Eunice have any Lychees?  Those pictures are very motivating and I will now try to squeeze in a few more mangoes, perhaps on my roof!
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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2012, 02:21:38 AM »
Mango's paradise! Wunderful pictures, great job. ;)
Thanks for sharing.
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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2012, 08:38:09 PM »
I lamented a while back the absence of experience mango growers from Socal in this forum.....I mention Eunice, Jim Neitzel and Leo Manual, among others. these pics are dedicated to all the new Socal mango growers in this forum. It would be nice if our CRFG friends from San Diego, Simon or Tim, our Global Moderator, could hook us up with some pictures of their orchard.

OK, I know I keep saying it but I will really really try to post pics very soon.  I did a test post about a month ago and found out that it is much easier to post pics on this forum than on GW so I have no excuse not to post pics. Just a warning that my yard is extremely small and I know that I planted my plants way too close together but I have no options as I have no room.  When my garden fills in, I will have no sunlight. 

Does anyone happen to know which variety of mango is Eunice's favorite?  I can't believe how many mangoes she has on her Edward!  I wonder if her Edwards taste similar to the ones produced in Florida?  It really threw me for a loop when Leo Manuel told me that he did not like the taste of Edward.  Does Eunice have any Lychees?  Those pictures are very motivating and I will now try to squeeze in a few more mangoes, perhaps on my roof!
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I was talking about Jim and Leo's mango orchard but if you want to post pics of your Lychees and other stuff that would be great.

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2012, 09:10:13 PM »
What an amazing orchard Eunice has! The mango trees are gorgeous and so healthy. So are the other tropical fruit trees.  Gives us great hope that we can also grow mango trees successfully here.

By the way, JF, are these tours open for fellow forum members or only for CRFG members?

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2012, 03:18:13 PM »
Hey JF, so I contacted Leo Manuel and he granted me a tour of his orchard and even said he would like Jim Neitzel to be over to answer questions!!!  I haven't seen his yard in over 5 years.  I will start a new thread asking forum members for suggestions on questions to ask Jim and Leo.

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2012, 03:30:04 PM »
Simon - when is your tour?
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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2012, 03:40:45 PM »
Hey Tim, Leo hasn't gotten back to me on the exact day yet but I'm hoping he can do it sometime next week.  Tim, you got a PM.
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« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2012, 08:46:36 PM »
Hey JF, so I contacted Leo Manuel and he granted me a tour of his orchard and even said he would like Jim Neitzel to be over to answer questions!!!  I haven't seen his yard in over 5 years.  I will start a new thread asking forum members for suggestions on questions to ask Jim and Leo.

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very good simon! take lots of pics I've been invited to tour Leo's orchard a few times but it's a bit too far for me. btw, Eunice used to have regular tours for all CRFG members.

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Re: A day in Anaheim Hills
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2014, 04:52:56 PM »
the orchard is looking great, it looks like July and October mangos.....her first bloom has set a lot of fruits and she has a second bloom going





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can someone ID this papaya? she said it's a Thai variety red inside?

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