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Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« on: January 09, 2019, 09:51:19 AM »
For anyone in the Sarasota/Venice area who might be interested, Iíll be giving a talk about Sapodilla to the Suncoast Rare fruit and vegetable Club in Nokomis tonight starting around 7:00. Iíll also field mango related questions at the end if people want to ask.
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Nokomis Community Center
234 Nippino Trail East, Nokomis, FL 34275

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2019, 01:14:07 PM »
Will there be a recording made?

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 06:19:06 AM »
Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2019, 07:06:04 AM »
Please record it!

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2019, 08:47:28 AM »
Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

We were 30F last year and my sapodillas didn't blink. Another forum member from Lakeland was
colder and commented on their resilience. I planted a Morena on the South side of a huge oak and
it barely grew. I dug it up and put it in full sun and it is finally flushing. 

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 10:05:10 AM »
They're tough plants, and the fruit is quite good as well. One of my favorite fruits to grow here.

Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

We were 30F last year and my sapodillas didn't blink. Another forum member from Lakeland was
colder and commented on their resilience. I planted a Morena on the South side of a huge oak and
it barely grew. I dug it up and put it in full sun and it is finally flushing.
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2019, 10:36:34 AM »
Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2019, 12:17:20 PM »
Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.



Iím not sure what that enlongated one is, iíll have to ask about them.

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2019, 12:19:28 PM »
Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

If you can protect them the first few years while theyíre establishing, you should be fine. Seen people growing them as far north as Tampa and Orlando. They have better cold hardiness than mango once they get some size to them.

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2019, 12:28:29 PM »
Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2019, 12:34:18 PM »
Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.

Excalibur has done some I think. Like Brown Sugar and Prolific

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2019, 01:35:06 PM »
That's good to know. I might grab one :D. Thanks for the tip.

Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.

Excalibur has done some I think. Like Brown Sugar and Prolific
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2019, 02:43:09 PM »
Fiddler as acededomestica noted I am the person who lives in Lakeland and had a very young Hasya sapodilla survive a 25* night last year. I will post video link where I actually record the temperature that morning while I was outside protecting mango trees with burn barrels. You can also verify the temperature online where 24.8 was recorded at the airport not even a mile from my house. In the video there is only a quick glance of the camera at the sapodilla from a distance as I wasn't videoing that tree specifically. My other updated videos show the tree never even had a burnt leaf on it. It still boggles my mind why it survived untouched however the tree has been slow growing and I believe a state of dormancy probably played a role in it's survival. Two other saps I covered and protected. I actually left the Hasya for dead that night expecting it would die but to my surprise in survived. That night was a 6 hour freeze with at least 4 of them 28 or less. It was a bad night. The tree is still my slowest growing out of three saps and not sure why. Here is the link to that night: https://youtu.be/EJ6-mF9z73Y.  Here is the latest update video on that Hasya sapodilla shown in the very beginning of the video: https://youtu.be/erDI7zNbWnU


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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 10:20:17 AM »
Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.



Iím not sure what that enlongated one is, iíll have to ask about them.

Zills large Sapodillas are Gigantea (pictured?) and Ox.  We have some Gigantea we bought last year that have plenty of fruit on them now.

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2019, 10:21:55 AM »
Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.

Excalibur has done some I think. Like Brown Sugar and Prolific

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2019, 12:07:06 PM »
Search for prolific here: https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/sapodilla.html

An old time variety that is reported to bear heavily. Sounds like a winner in my book. I think the newer cultivars might be focused on smoother flesh?
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2019, 12:21:34 PM »
Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.



Iím not sure what that enlongated one is, iíll have to ask about them.

Zills large Sapodillas are Gigantea (pictured?) and Ox.  We have some Gigantea we bought last year that have plenty of fruit on them now.

These are supposed to be new varieties being released this Spring possibly. One of them came from Squam's orchard. I am going to pick up a Gigantea the next time I over on the East Coast. I am not really a fan of Ox.
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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2019, 12:49:58 PM »
Search for prolific here: https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/sapodilla.html

An old time variety that is reported to bear heavily. Sounds like a winner in my book. I think the newer cultivars might be focused on smoother flesh?


Sure does sound like a winner. Wonder why it is not widely talked about?

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2019, 03:51:20 PM »
Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?


I know people here (AUS) arenít happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), Iím sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go :) http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735
« Last Edit: January 11, 2019, 03:54:08 PM by Ulfr »

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2019, 04:17:35 PM »
Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?


I know people here (AUS) arenít happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), Iím sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go :) http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735
Jeff  :-)

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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 05:43:12 PM »
Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?


I know people here (AUS) arenít happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), Iím sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go :) http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735



I was about to cut down my Hasya as it had produced just one fruit in 4-5  years since it was planted, but a couple of weeks  ago,  i found four little fruits on the tree. I have since decided to keep the tree. Jeff, do you use 8-3-9 or 8-2-12 for sapodillas? Do you give it foliar sprays as well?


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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 07:02:27 PM »
Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?


I know people here (AUS) arenít happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), Iím sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go :) http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735



Possible! I only have BKD111 and Tropical here so far and Iím yet to taste either of them from my yard (young trees).

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Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 07:47:19 PM »
8-2-12 only, but I give it a lot. 8-2-12 is miracle in a bag, but you need to use a good amount of it. The only trees in my orchard that don't get it are mangoes (those get Har's mix).

Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?


I know people here (AUS) arenít happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), Iím sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go :) http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735



I was about to cut down my Hasya as it had produced just one fruit in 4-5  years since it was planted, but a couple of weeks  ago,  i found four little fruits on the tree. I have since decided to keep the tree. Jeff, do you use 8-3-9 or 8-2-12 for sapodillas? Do you give it foliar sprays as well?
Jeff  :-)

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 08:03:05 PM »
8-2-12 only, but I give it a lot. 8-2-12 is miracle in a bag, but you need to use a good amount of it. The only trees in my orchard that don't get it are mangoes (those get Har's mix).

Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?


I know people here (AUS) arenít happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), Iím sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go :) http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735



I was about to cut down my Hasya as it had produced just one fruit in 4-5  years since it was planted, but a couple of weeks  ago,  i found four little fruits on the tree. I have since decided to keep the tree. Jeff, do you use 8-3-9 or 8-2-12 for sapodillas? Do you give it foliar sprays as well?



Do I need to wait until March to feed them  8-2-12? Is it OK to fertilize now?

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2019, 10:23:16 PM »
I would do it, but I'm not entirely sure if it's a bad idea or not.

Do I need to wait until March to feed them  8-2-12? Is it OK to fertilize now?
Jeff  :-)

 

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