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Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« on: September 21, 2019, 12:53:03 PM »
  Was there such a tree exited? Will this hybrid significantly decry the quality?

  I know the Ichang Papeda fruit is itself a low quality citrus fruit, but yuzu has many uses in culinary field.
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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2019, 02:07:00 PM »
Well if you think there is any  quality in either the Yuzu or the Ichang Papeda, then I guess it will not lower the quality of either fruit.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2019, 03:04:05 PM »
Well if you think there is any  quality in either the Yuzu or the Ichang Papeda, then I guess it will not lower the quality of either fruit.

 :-\? I thought yuzu is famous for its uses in many cuisines. I was thinking of seedless yuzu. I read a few posts about seedless yuzu available in Japan, but it seems to be impossible to find in the US. Some opinions also claimed that seedless yuzu in Japan is not as good as the orginal yuzu interm of fragrances. I knew there are at least several varieties of seedless Ichang Papeda in both Europe and the US, so I came up with an idea of crossing yuzu with Ichang Papeda to test my luck of finding a high quality seedless yuzu.

  I am not so sure whether or not a seedless citrus mother or father would transfer his/her seedless character to off-springs.
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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2019, 04:08:41 PM »
It is always worth a try.  Many advances in citrus have been achieved by trying.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 06:25:21 PM »
Well if you think there is any  quality in either the Yuzu or the Ichang Papeda, then I guess it will not lower the quality of either fruit.

 :-\? I thought yuzu is famous for its uses in many cuisines. I was thinking of seedless yuzu. I read a few posts about seedless yuzu available in Japan, but it seems to be impossible to find in the US. Some opinions also claimed that seedless yuzu in Japan is not as good as the orginal yuzu interm of fragrances. I knew there are at least several varieties of seedless Ichang Papeda in both Europe and the US, so I came up with an idea of crossing yuzu with Ichang Papeda to test my luck of finding a high quality seedless yuzu.

  I am not so sure whether or not a seedless citrus mother or father would transfer his/her seedless character to off-springs.

there is a hybrid with satsuma called Ichandarin Liudmila, it's said to taste similar to yuzu.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 09:15:27 PM »
there is a hybrid with satsuma called Ichandarin Liudmila, it's said to taste similar to yuzu.

  Thanks, it is good to know it. Is it as hardy as yuzu? Is it seedless.

  I at first just aim for the leaf taste, but then curious about seedless yuzu. I am working on it now. It might take several years, but it is fun to try.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2019, 02:05:58 AM »
One technique to create a seedless citrus is by selecting for a triploid.

There's an old thread on the forums about determining ploidy in citrus.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2019, 04:04:51 AM »
I am trying to do this for three years, approximately 5% of Yuzu seeds are small enough to be compatible with triploids. But these seedlings are growing rather slowly.
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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2019, 09:19:54 AM »
I am trying to do this for three years, approximately 5% of Yuzu seeds are small enough to be compatible with triploids. But these seedlings are growing rather slowly.

  Amazing, I wish you luck on your project. I think if we graft an extra rootstock to the existing slow growing yuzu seedling, it might force it to grow faster. Some types of fertilizer do help sometimes to boost growth in early stages. We can also collect scionwood after the seedling is older than 1 year old and try to graft it on a vigorously matured rootstock to boost growth.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2019, 01:33:05 PM »
there is a hybrid with satsuma called Ichandarin Liudmila, it's said to taste similar to yuzu.
It might be a hybrid of ichangensis, we're not exactly sure. Its cold hardiness hasn't been tested.
There is another thread started about it, for further discussion.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2019, 02:47:33 PM »

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2019, 04:57:56 AM »
Very funny! This site (http://birds.songs.free.fr) is a place where I put my dwaft version of my sites before I release them.
This version of Citrus Pages is deprecated.
The right place is now http://citruspages.free.fr
It still not includes the genealogy that was discovered by DNA analyses. You might not use Citrus Page to define ancestry of citrus.
Next winter I shall update the site with the recent data.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2019, 05:40:41 AM »
I`ve found both webadresses via google but there is nothing to be seen that one is just a draft and the other the proper one.
But good to know.
The point is that there is contradicting information on the web than the personal preferencies of Liudmilla descendence by some forum member.
Which proofs nothing other than there are different statements.
As long as there is no link to an scientific paper it is just a statement.
That is what I wanted to point out.

Btw I don`t care about descendency. It is nice to know but I can`t see any advantage in this knowledge which helps me. Might be different for others of course.

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Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2019, 01:33:25 PM »
Here's the thread that contains all the information about Liudmila I was able to compile together.
" ichangensis x Satsuma ? " http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=31947.msg351168#msg351168

For some reason the thread doesn't appear in a search when I type in "Liudmila", so it's probably best I share the link here.

 

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