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How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« on: February 08, 2012, 02:22:40 PM »
I am in South Florida, Palm Beach just west of Mounts Botanical Garden.  I just planted out a three foot tall Pace Mamey and am wondering if anyone is growing Mamey this far, if not further north of me outdoors?

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 02:34:05 PM »
I know of a mamey that is in Merritt Island FL that is around ten years old.  I'm going to put one in tomorrow in Melbourne Beach.  Does anyone know how well they do with salt spray?

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 04:07:48 PM »
I've got 2 trees planted out west of you Patrick. I think I'm probably a little north of you as well.

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 05:39:15 PM »
Thats around 26 degrees North?
Our biggest commercial plantation is at 28 degrees South, with many more individual trees further south.
So not further north, but further from the tropics in the opposite direction.

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 07:58:00 PM »
There are reportedly fruiting Mameys growing in Southern California around Long Beach which is 33 degrees north. Here at 37 degrees north there are some trying to grow mamey outdoors, who knows if any of us will succeed.

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 08:03:39 PM »
Never heard of anyone fruiting mamey in Southern California. Green sapote yes. GS is easier to fruit than mamey in the cooler areas.
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 08:13:21 PM »
Never heard of anyone fruiting mamey in Southern California. Green sapote yes. GS is easier to fruit than mamey in the cooler areas.
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I think I've seen a fruiting mamey tree in southern california in G@$den web before.
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 08:31:44 PM »
I don't want to offend anyone in Calif. but I seriously doubt there are any fruiting Mamey Sapote trees being grown outdoors in Calif. I would have to see major proof.  They are too sensitive to cold and low humidity.  I have lots of fruit growing friends in the LA and San Diego area who search out everything and have never heard of a tree there.  There's never been a mention of one in the CRFG magazine either.   I hoped to be proven wrong!
     
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 08:53:36 PM »
Here is the first and ONLY pics of a fruiting Mamey tree in Santa Ana California. There have been reports of grafted and seedlings fruiting in Orange, Bell, Glendale and San Diego but I have not found them. I discover this tree in Jan. 2010. I know Paul Thompson was the first to fruit a Mammee apple in California not to be confused with a Mamey Sapote  (Pouteria sapota). I searched all over Southern California and found very nice mature trees growing all over but this one was the only one fruiting. This Mamey seedling is over 10m and it took 18 years to fruit!!!! The search continues!


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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 10:24:29 PM »
Here is the first and ONLY pics of a fruiting Mamey tree in Santa Ana California. There have been reports of grafted and seedlings fruiting in Orange, Bell, Glendale and San Diego but I have not found them. I discover this tree in Jan. 2010. I know Paul Thompson was the first to fruit a Mammee apple in California not to be confused with a Mamey Sapote  (Pouteria sapota). I searched all over Southern California and found very nice mature trees growing all over but this one was the only one fruiting. This Mamey seedling is over 10m and it took 18 years to fruit!!!! The search continues!


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Awesome! I love to be proved wrong in cases such as this. Do you know if this tree in Santa Ana is a seedling or a cultivar, and what variety it is?
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 07:12:03 PM »
That is cool to see that if will fruit there. Gives hope to many others in cooler climates!
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2012, 07:14:35 PM »
Leaves on that mamey tree look like they have a lot of tip burn. Seems it would enjoy some overhead misters to compensate for low air humidity.
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 07:31:01 PM »
Leaves on that mamey tree look like they have a lot of tip burn. Seems it would enjoy some overhead misters to compensate for low air humidity.
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This seedling is huge over 30'. This pic was taken in Jan. of 2010. I went back a few months ago to see how the fruits tasted unfortunately the owner of the Mamey tree has been in a convalescent home for months he is very ill. Are Mamey easy to graft? I'm afraid this tree will be cut down this year.
 

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 11:22:56 PM »
Leaves on that mamey tree look like they have a lot of tip burn. Seems it would enjoy some overhead misters to compensate for low air humidity.
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Are Mamey easy to graft?

No.....pretty difficult actually. A lot of people use approach grafts with them. Commercially I think cleft is the most common method.

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 12:10:32 AM »
Leaves on that mamey tree look like they have a lot of tip burn. Seems it would enjoy some overhead misters to compensate for low air humidity.
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Are Mamey easy to graft?

No.....pretty difficult actually. A lot of people use approach grafts with them. Commercially I think cleft is the most common method.

Oops, that leaves me out....the only thing I have been able to graft sucessfully has been cherimoyas.
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2014, 02:33:20 PM »
That's a good find. I started Mamey from seed this year , but drove it 7 hours south of me to N. San Diego to give it a more suitable home along with Sapodilla, jakfruit etc..
I'm still growing other Pouteria varieties that have overwintered well here such as Lucuma, Green Sapote, and Black Sapote .

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2014, 03:55:16 PM »
Never been there yet but I thought I read that Quail Botanical Gardens had a large fruiting mamey sapote...?

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2014, 03:57:42 PM »
Patrick, is your tree doing well outside?
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2014, 05:05:52 PM »
I'd hate to see possibly the only fruiting mamey in Cali cut down!! What (if anything) can be done to save it?

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2014, 07:22:35 PM »
Here is mine in south San Diego, it had a few problems one winter, but it seems established now. This is the first fruit set.




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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2014, 07:34:46 PM »
Leaves on that mamey tree look like they have a lot of tip burn. Seems it would enjoy some overhead misters to compensate for low air humidity.
Oscar

This seedling is huge over 30'. This pic was taken in Jan. of 2010. I went back a few months ago to see how the fruits tasted unfortunately the owner of the Mamey tree has been in a convalescent home for months he is very ill. Are Mamey easy to graft? I'm afraid this tree will be cut down this year.
 

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Frank, I have been approach grafting seedlings, and they are pretty easy to do.

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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2014, 07:44:37 PM »
Grafting:  Summer, vigorously-growing dark-green root-stock and scion, leafy scion a little thicker than root-stock, cleft graft, plastic bag over it, 70-80% shade.
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2014, 07:56:42 PM »
In central eastern Texas, some gents who manufactured commercial rotating composter machines, one of which I used in Florida, got several tropical fruit trees from me and planted them outdoors.  The gents phoned me several years in a row (about 2002-2008) to report on the trees' survival and growth,  including a Mamey-Sapote, with quite a bit of snow around it one year.  I was incredulous!
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2014, 07:59:13 PM »
Locally, the farthest north I've seen a Mamey-Sapote is Jupiter Farms.   It was planted as an already large specimen and is not at all gorgeous, but is holding a few fruits.
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Re: How far north are you growing Mamey outdoors?
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2014, 10:04:38 PM »
Here is mine in south San Diego, it had a few problems one winter, but it seems established now. This is the first fruit set.





Nice! Is it a Magana mamey?
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