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I want to start this thread to begin tracking the performance of the top tier Mangos varieties when grown in SoCal. Any information from growers in other Mango growing regions would be greatly appreciated. Varieties that are highly disease resistant in one mango growing region may be a good indicator that they could potentially be a good reliable producer in SoCal although we know this is not necessarily true in many instances.

I will include a few varieties that are not necessarily top tier in everyoneís ratings but some people love these varieties and they are very common in the nurseries so I will include them here.

So far, here is a short list of varieties that taste good and are reliable in SoCal:

Leo 2
Peggy
Leo Z
Sweet Tart
Venus
Edward
Maha Chanok
Glenn
Kesar
Valencia Pride
CAC
Parson
Fairchild
Villa Clara
Thompson
Ivory
Ugly Betty
Cypress
Magcom
Dale
Sunrise
Juicy Peach
Sindhri
Imam Passand
Coconut Cream
Honey Kiss
Peach cobbler
NDM
Kent
Gary
Cotton Candy
Leo Keitt Seedling

 There are a lot more that I canít remember right now but I just want to get this topic started.

If you are growing a good tasting variety and you notice it produces reliably for you, please post here so that we can compare it to how it performs for others in SoCal.

Simon
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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2019, 03:48:29 PM »
Good thread Simon!

I would Add a few that are reliable. The only one I question from your list is Kesar. Iíve had lots of drops with that variety. Here is my list:
LZ
Harvest Moon mutant
Edward
Parson
Cac
Fairchild
Thomson
Ivory
Villa Clara
Ugly betty
Cypress
Magcom
Dale
Sunrise
Juicy Peach
There are many others but I canít think right now.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2019, 03:52:07 PM by JF »

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2019, 03:55:33 PM »
Thanks Frank, the more data points we get, the better. What performs well in one persons yard may not necessarily perform well in someone elseís yard and the list of varieties that donít perform well is just as important as the list of good performers.

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2019, 04:15:28 PM »
Why don't you guys grow Pakistani Mango Cultivars ?. They should do much better than SE Asia or Indian cultivars (or their seedlings/selections), I mean both Lahore (the capital city of Pakistani Mangoes) and San Diego are almost in the same latitude.
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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2019, 04:19:26 PM »
Why don't you guys grow Pakistani Mango Cultivars ?. They should do much better than SE Asia or Indian cultivars (or their seedlings/selections), I mean both Lahore (the capital city of Pakistani Mangoes) and San Diego are almost in the same latitude.


We do. Here is 3 year old Sindhiri  very reliable



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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2019, 05:33:55 PM »
For me the following have produced well:
Imam pasand - longer it stays on tree the better
Sweet tart
Peach Cobbler
Coconut Creame

Best tasting, production pending maturity of plant:
LZ
Honey kiss
Peach cobbler

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2019, 05:48:42 PM »
Please also add if these cultivars do well in Southern California regardless of rootstocks, e.g., turpentine, or only on California Manila rootstock.

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2019, 03:33:58 AM »
Fruit punch on Florida rootstock has done well x 2 years

Venus on Florida rootstock has done well x 1 year

Ambrosia on Florida rootstock has grown vigorously x 2 years

Keitt on Florida rootstock has done well x 2 years

Lemon zest on Florida rootstock has grown well x 1 year

Lemon zest and CAC on seedling rootstock has done well x 1/2 year

Fruit punch and lz on Manila is ok

Pina colada on seedling - nada. Maybe 1 inch of growth in 1.5 years and that growth was  2 flower panicles in january.

Pineapple pleasure by contrast is growing well x 1.5 years

Nam doc mai on Brokaw rootstock is vigorous x 6 months

Maha xhanook on seedling rootstock good x 6 months

Ppk from exotica -looks like Florida rootstock woth yellow tag but not sure how exotica propagates their trees. Only 1 flush first year. Did better second year.

Orange sherbet Florida rootstock -solid growth with minimal flowering last year.

M4 on Florida rootstock -stable x 1 year.

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2019, 01:44:17 PM »
Valencia Pride and keow savory does well for me.  Coconuts cream died and lemon zest died for me.  I live near the coast and we donít get too hot where i live. 

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2019, 09:32:10 PM »
Fruit punch on Florida rootstock has done well x 2 years

Venus on Florida rootstock has done well x 1 year

Ambrosia on Florida rootstock has grown vigorously x 2 years

Keitt on Florida rootstock has done well x 2 years

Lemon zest on Florida rootstock has grown well x 1 year

Lemon zest and CAC on seedling rootstock has done well x 1/2 year

Fruit punch and lz on Manila is ok

Pina colada on seedling - nada. Maybe 1 inch of growth in 1.5 years and that growth was  2 flower panicles in january.

Pineapple pleasure by contrast is growing well x 1.5 years

Nam doc mai on Brokaw rootstock is vigorous x 6 months

Maha xhanook on seedling rootstock good x 6 months

Ppk from exotica -looks like Florida rootstock woth yellow tag but not sure how exotica propagates their trees. Only 1 flush first year. Did better second year.

Orange sherbet Florida rootstock -solid growth with minimal flowering last year.

M4 on Florida rootstock -stable x 1 year.

CA Hockey, thanks for the information but this thread is to track reliable production and not growth of the trees. Some varieties like Lemon Zest grow ok on Florida Turpentine rootstock but have trouble setting fruit due to its susceptibility to fungal diseases. Generally, in terms of growth, the more vigorous growers grow ok here in SoCal, even on Florida rootstock but they seem to get really droopy and also get gummosis.

To the list of reliable producers, im adding NDM, Kent, Peach Cobbler, Coconut Cream and Honey KISS. These varieties have proven reliable in either Leo Manuel, AZ or PMís orchards.

I also wanted to clarify that we need as many data points regarding reliability, as possible. This means that even if someone already posted that Sweet Tart or Honey Kiss did well in their yards, I would still want you to post that it did, or didnít set and hold fruit for you.

In this manner, we can build up our database which will eventually enable us to give recommendation for gardeners attempting to grow Mangos in Southern California.

Varieties that are found to be reliable in some yards but unreliable in other yards will be given a moderate rating in terms of reliability. Varieties that are consistently listed as reliable will obviously be rated as reliable.

Simon



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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2019, 09:37:53 PM »
Honey kiss on turpentine rootstock fruited prolific on a 15gal. However, I took out fruitlets when they were marbled size.

Sweet Tart on turpentine fruited prolific too. I let this hold approx 13 fruits on a 15 gal, however, last heatwave june or july when we got 122f. The fruits wrinkled.

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2019, 11:17:06 PM »
Which mangos seem to be the most disease resistant in Southern California, independent of whether they are the best tasting?

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2019, 12:15:41 PM »
Thanks Frank, the more data points we get, the better. What performs well in one persons yard may not necessarily perform well in someone elseís yard and the list of varieties that donít perform well is just as important as the list of good performers.

Simon

Yes agree. My point was that kesar has not been proven to be productive here in my area. Iíve fruited in one branch more kesars than( and thatís not many)  Az and Behl in some 7 kesar trees they have. So Iím glad itís productive where you are at...... Iím assume thatís where you are getting yr data. The jury is still out here in Orange County.

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2019, 07:21:27 PM »
Thanks for the clarification Frank. Yes, I have a small Kesar graft on my multigraft tree and it readily sets fruit. It is the regular Kesar and not the Jumbo Kesar. This Kesar graft is now completely shaded by a nearby tree but it still has some small blooms on it this year so Iíll see if it sets any this year.

Carrie has also been reliable for me before it died of Phomopsis.

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2019, 07:38:07 PM »
Thanks Frank, the more data points we get, the better. What performs well in one persons yard may not necessarily perform well in someone elseís yard and the list of varieties that donít perform well is just as important as the list of good performers.

Simon

Yes agree. My point was that kesar has not been proven to be productive here in my area. Iíve fruited in one branch more kesars than( and thatís not many)  Az and Behl in some 7 kesar trees they have. So Iím glad itís productive where you are at...... Iím assume thatís where you are getting yr data. The jury is still out here in Orange County.

I remember seeing approximately 10-15 fruits on ur kesar graft last year. Hope to see some more as ur graft matures.

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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2019, 08:25:13 PM »
That sounds about right....the branch is next to seŮorita.

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2019, 12:18:40 AM »
Which mangos seem to be the most disease resistant in Southern California, independent of whether they are the best tasting?

The varieties that Leo Manuel are very reliable. They are not necessarily disease resistant, they get Powdery  Mildew, but they set and mature fruit regardless.

Paul Thomson and Rudy Haluza also have varieties that perform well in SoCal.

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2019, 10:27:58 AM »
Which mangos seem to be the most disease resistant in Southern California, independent of whether they are the best tasting?

The varieties that Leo Manuel are very reliable. They are not necessarily disease resistant, they get Powdery  Mildew, but they set and mature fruit regardless.

Paul Thomson and Rudy Haluza also have varieties that perform well in SoCal.

Simon

Sounds great!  How is the "Leo Z" variety in particular?

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2019, 04:46:13 PM »
I havenít tried a perfectly ripened one yet but a bunch of people got together at Leoís place and rated it very highly.

From the underripe fruit I ate, there is great potential.

Leo 2 is great if your looking for a sugar bomb but it lacks acid balance. If you eat it on the firm side, it can be excellent.

Leoís Keitt seedling is also great and tastes like a big Sweet Tart.

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2019, 04:51:14 PM »
Thanks!

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2019, 05:59:51 PM »
I havenít tried a perfectly ripened one yet but a bunch of people got together at Leoís place and rated it very highly.

From the underripe fruit I ate, there is great potential.

Leo 2 is great if your looking for a sugar bomb but it lacks acid balance. If you eat it on the firm side, it can be excellent.

Leoís Keitt seedling is also great and tastes like a big Sweet Tart.

Simon

Hi simon i had a conversation with JF regarding Leo's varieties, And according to JF the best mango in Leoís yard and close to ST is a variety called T-1.  Could u verify?

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2019, 07:04:20 PM »
I havenít tried a perfectly ripened one yet but a bunch of people got together at Leoís place and rated it very highly.

From the underripe fruit I ate, there is great potential.

Leo 2 is great if your looking for a sugar bomb but it lacks acid balance. If you eat it on the firm side, it can be excellent.

Leoís Keitt seedling is also great and tastes like a big Sweet Tart.

Simon

Hi simon i had a conversation with JF regarding Leo's varieties, And according to JF the best mango in Leoís yard and close to ST is a variety called T-1.  Could u verify?

I remember T-1 is one of the original Paul Thomson selections -- is it widely grown?

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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2019, 08:35:53 PM »
Does lemon meringue produce well here? What are the heaviest producing zill varieties?

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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2019, 09:42:15 PM »
Does lemon meringue produce well here? What are the heaviest producing zill varieties?

In CA...Generally no without spraying with fungicides.  Lemon meringue (aka PPK...which is not a Zillís creation) and itís offspring Lemon Zest are powdery mildew magnets.  We are still trialing the offspring orange sherbert, but I would imagine it would have the same PM problem.

The heaviest producing newer Zillís varieties has been Sweet Tart.  Some have had good luck with Coconut Cream, but not me.  Overall, I havenít heard of any newer Zillís varieites being heavy producers.  Most have been classified as low to moderate at best.
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Re: Best tasting and most reliable Mangos for Southern California
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2019, 03:13:16 AM »
Does lemon meringue produce well here? What are the heaviest producing zill varieties?

In CA...Generally no without spraying with fungicides.  Lemon meringue (aka PPK...which is not a Zillís creation) and itís offspring Lemon Zest are powdery mildew magnets.  We are still trialing the offspring orange sherbert, but I would imagine it would have the same PM problem.

The heaviest producing newer Zillís varieties has been Sweet Tart.  Some have had good luck with Coconut Cream, but not me.  Overall, I havenít heard of any newer Zillís varieites being heavy producers.  Most have been classified as low to moderate at best.

So what varieties outside of zills are productive here?

 

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