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Re: SoCal mango flowering update
« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2019, 08:53:26 PM »
Very nice Mangos Simon. In September you should be enjoying killer mangos. Your ST and PPK mango Trees looks excellent.

If you have a chance can you please post some photos of the actual trees from a more wide-angle view like your ST tree photo.

If you can tell us the rootstock of each grafted tree, when it was grafted and how long the rootstock has been in the ground would be helpful to ascertain growth rates hear in California on Non Turpentine rootstock. 

Thanks Man.  Looking Good. Your leading the way Brother.

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2019, 10:08:42 PM »
Nice photos, simon!
It would be interesting to know how
Big the jumbo kesar gets compared to the
Normal kesar. Please keep us posted.

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2019, 10:22:51 PM »
Those arenít my Mangos or mango trees, those are from a friend. I donít have all the info on these trees but Iíll provide any info I get on them.

There are many mislabeled Jumbo Kesar trees and we wonít know for sure if we have the real Jumbo Kesar until after a couple years of fruiting. We have supposed Jumbo Kesar from multiple sources including Dr. Ledesma.

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2019, 12:26:36 AM »
Thanks, simon.
I am hoping we will get atleast one real
jumbo kesar.

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2019, 12:35:36 AM »
If im not mistaken Parson is Frank's seedling from Juliette not Julie.

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2019, 12:54:19 AM »
Excellent crop. Any idea how many years old the Kesar with the heavy crop is?

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Re: SoCal mango flowering update
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2019, 01:10:14 AM »
Here are (5) photos taken over this last weekend. We are probably two months behind south Florida in terms of flowering but of course, they had a very warm 2019 winter so I assume flowering is way down the further south you go.

All of the noted trees I have been grafted to Manila rootstock except Val-Carrie which is on Turpentine. These Trees have been in the ground on average about 2.5 years. Just for something different the last photo is of my eight-year-old Beaumont Macadamia Tree in Bloom.

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Sweet Tart on Manila



Mallika on Manila Rootstock




Nam Doc Mai #4 on Manila



Val-Carrie on Turpentine




Coconut Cream on Manila


Beaumont Macadamia Tree

On the CRFG website it states Beaumont macadamia flowers are bright pink. Your flowers look white.
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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2019, 01:23:24 AM »
Simon, can you tell me which rootstock would be stronger here, Ataulfo rootstock or Manilla rootstock ?

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2019, 12:02:05 AM »
If im not mistaken Parson is Frank's seedling from Juliette not Julie.

Your absolutely correct Gonz my mango from a Juliette seedling and itís not being propagated for now

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2019, 12:24:58 AM »
If im not mistaken Parson is Frank's seedling from Juliette not Julie.

Your absolutely correct Gonz my mango from a Juliette seedling and itís not being propagated for now

What zill variety is comparable to Parson?

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2019, 12:27:40 AM »
If im not mistaken Parson is Frank's seedling from Juliette not Julie.

Your absolutely correct Gonz my mango from a Juliette seedling and itís not being propagated for now

What zill variety is comparable to Parson?

A combination of M4 and PP. Good size fruit if you thin....2lb

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2019, 01:03:37 AM »
If im not mistaken Parson is Frank's seedling from Juliette not Julie.

Your absolutely correct Gonz my mango from a Juliette seedling and itís not being propagated for now

What zill variety is comparable to Parson?

A combination of M4 and PP. Good size fruit if you thin....2lb

Oh wow! When will u release this variety to the public?

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2019, 05:50:06 PM »
I have a few ppl growing them and testing in different locations in SoCal. I will release a few trees. This is a 2lb hanging on my mother tree. As Iíve mention itís must be thin to reach its full size ......it clusters like crazy.




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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2019, 05:53:44 PM »
Any photos inside the fruit from previous years?

I hope u'll have them on the tastings. 😂

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2019, 05:54:20 PM »
I have a few ppl growing them and testing in different locations in SoCal. I will release a few trees. This is a 2lb hanging on my mother tree. As Iíve mention itís must be thin to reach its full size ......it clusters like crazy.




Impressive, please put me on the waitlist for the cultivar.

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2019, 06:40:20 PM »
Yes. It fruited heavy last year and found its mojo.



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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2019, 06:57:25 PM »
Yes. It fruited heavy last year and found its mojo.



Wow. Loooks yummmy

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2019, 09:18:49 PM »
If im not mistaken Parson is Frank's seedling from Juliette not Julie.

Thanks for the correction!

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2019, 09:46:01 PM »
If im not mistaken Parson is Frank's seedling from Juliette not Julie.

Your absolutely correct Gonz my mango from a Juliette seedling and itís not being propagated for now

Thanks for the info Frank, I canít wait to taste that one.

Which rootstock performs better would depend on each specific location, soil, scion, etc...

Many people have the false assumption that all Manilla rootstocks are similar but they can be very different. The specific Manilla that I have been recommending for years is the LaVern Manilla that is available at many SoCal Nurseries.

I have found numerous rootstocks that perform as well or better than the LaVern Manilla but I still recommend this rootstock because of convenience and itís long track record for performance here in SoCal. This rootstock is easy to find and even the smaller size trees are usually large enough to put on one or two grafts. You can easily put on a top cleft graft and a side gender lower down.

If you are not in immediate need of rootstocks for grafting, I highly recommend you plant out as many different mango seeds as possible. Plant seeds from both Monoembryonic and Polyembryonic varieties. By increasing the genetic diversity, you are giving yourself better odds of finding a particular rootstock that adapts better to your specific growing conditions.

Monoembryonic seedlings like Kent generally have a faster start and are better for stone grafting or faster grafting in general because typically only a single seedling will sprout and all the energy stored in the seed will go into that seedling. The girth of the new seedling is usually large enough for grafting as soon as the first set of leaves have fully expanded. For Monoembryonic rootstocks, Kent, VP, Haden and Tommy Atkins works really well.

Polyembryonic seedlings usually have several sprouts coming up from the seed and the girth of each seedling is smaller in diameter so the seedlings will need to be grown out for a longer period of time before they are large enough to graft.

Even though Monoembryonic seedlings reach a larger girth faster, I like polyembryonic seedlings because if you are able to select the clone, there is no need to graft. NDM, Sweet Tart, Orange Sherbet are all great polyembryonic rootstocks that grow fast once established.

With the experiments that Brad and I have been performing, we have found it better to graft the seedlings when they are about 2-3 feet tall and a high graft is better than a low graft unless you plan on keeping the tree in a pot or as a Bonsai.

The high graft seems to promote more vertical growth. When planting the seeds, itís best to start them in tall pots.

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Re: SoCal mango flowering and fruit update
« Reply #69 on: August 24, 2019, 11:45:49 PM »
Thanks Simon for the detailed info on the rootstock to use.

 

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