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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2019, 10:41:46 PM »
My husband works for Delta - too bad I can’t put it in a suitcase or carry on bag lol

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2019, 04:02:09 PM »
As far as I can tell, that Sfusato Amalfitano is not the "limone pane" that is referenced in the cedro salad post... That huge limone pane seems to be Limone di Procida. The Sfusato Amalfitano is what replaced it commercially, I believe, and it's a "femminello", which I assume means smaller in a male chauvinistic world (unless it refers to a smoother skin)... The search continues...
https://vivaifrappetta.it/prodotto/limone-di-procida/

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I think this shows how confusing the naming is. Here's Amalfi Bread Lemon: https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-bread-lemon/ and here's Amalfi Lemon (a much more std lemon): https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-lemon/. Plus for good measure a Femminello Amalfi Lemon (seedless): https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/adamo-femminello-lemon-seedless-vcr-103/. I still can't tell from that description whether the Amalfi Bread Lemon is really the huge fruit... The description of the Roman Citron https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/roman-citron/ seems much closer to what the recipes mention.
Ok, next search is for "howto smuggle lemons into CA"  :o

The problem with the whole matter is that limone pane is somewhat a folk's name, that means, it doesn't really ties strongly to a variety (or to be more precise, to a single clone) like for istance "cara cara orange". It's more akin to the word "plantain" where you use a word to specify the use of the fruits more than the specie of the plant, and this works pretty well in a farmer's society because things get their value by their immediate use...
(On a unrelated note "Femminello" means "little female" and refers to the many child (lemons) this varieties make)
In the cedro salad post, i think the "Limone cedrato gigante" has been used by the author of the post. You can find it in tintori page. "Limone cedrato" is another category of citrus (like grapefruits, for istance) wich is pretty old (centuries), and not so much widespread anymore, but you can find them here in some collections and some people assure me that they are the best for salads. They are "citron flavoured" lemons (this is the meaning of "limone cedrato" if that makes sense) the word "cedrato" refers to citron but remains ambiguous in what such referece is.
Anyway, there are several varieties of such citrons good for salads. Among the best, you have the "Limone cedrato spadafora", the "Limone piretto" and the "Limone ponzino amalfitano". Each of those will be good in salads.

During the winter- early spring one can buy here these big bumpy lemons from Amalfi region, exceptionally good, moderately soar with sweet albedo.

I got similar lemons from a plant my grandfather left me but i didn't get any name for it from him:

They grow nicely but not as good as the onle in souther italy i guess because i lack of heath. The fruit of mine don't look very similar to the lemon i find at the store from amalfi coast, but then again, i don't even know what those are.
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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2019, 04:10:19 PM »
Thanks Pancrazio.

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2019, 04:42:34 PM »
Thanks for the clarifications!!!

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2019, 09:54:27 PM »
Pancrazio, its been a while, awesome having you posting of the citrus forum again.

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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2019, 08:22:06 AM »
Interesting article about research in Campania Region to get ideal samples of main lemon cultivars.
In the Sorrentine Peninsula, researches collected  20 accessions of "Ovale di Sorrento" (marked OS01 to OS20).
in the Amalfi Coast they collected  14 accessions of "Sfusato Amalfitano" (marked OS01 to OS14).
in the island of Procida  6 accessions of " Limone di Procida ” (codes PR01 - PR06).

Interesting, that all accessions were find infected with viroids of exocortis and cachexia,
and most of them with infectious variegation.

 Most significant clones were cleaned from diseases and archived.
From Oval of Sorrento clones OS02, OS04 and OS19







From Sfusato amalfitano (clones marked  SA11, SA13 and VCR)





From Lemon of Procida (2 clones  PR04 and PR06)




http://agricoltura.regione.campania.it/frutticoltura/frutticoltura-limone-selezione-clonale.html




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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2019, 08:55:19 AM »
Thanks for the link Rad.

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2019, 05:32:10 PM »
Pancrazio, its been a while, awesome having you posting of the citrus forum again.


Oh I'm glad to be here too, i just have so little time these days, and most of it goes to my plants and the italian forum!

http://agricoltura.regione.campania.it/frutticoltura/frutticoltura-limone-selezione-clonale.html


Interesting. If only getting scions from acireale weren't so hard!
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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2019, 12:57:45 AM »
That Italian forum has some interesting posts :-). Do you guys have no HLB issues?

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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2019, 03:58:48 PM »
Luckily not yet, but if you ask me it's just a matter of time. But, as for now, we also lack the asian psyllid, so any infection should remain contained. But the citrus psyllid arrived in spain so eventually will reach also here.
Also awareness in Italy is super-low.  :-[
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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2019, 04:05:49 PM »
Thanks Ilya, seeds arrived today in great shape!

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2019, 06:03:23 PM »
 :)
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2019, 09:45:16 AM »
Three weeks to the day & the St. Teresa popped.


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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2019, 10:04:31 AM »
Lemox is patented, and apparently they don't sell to the public.
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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2019, 10:16:36 AM »
That's too bad, looks like a really nice lemon & seedless as well.

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2019, 10:28:29 AM »
Not sure why. What i know is that some guy on the Italian forum attempted to get this one and got declined. Either they had a minimum order unapproachable (like, say, 100 plants) or they don' seel directly to private custumers. If you are interested i may ask.
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« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2019, 10:33:17 AM »
I remember Petr Broza had one as well.

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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2019, 10:54:32 AM »
Petr has an insane citrus collection...  https://www.youtube.com/user/PetrBroza/videos?pbjreload=10

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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2019, 02:28:27 PM »
Some cultivars like Orri ® (it has insane license terms), or Tango ® are for sale only in big quantities and only for Italy in Italian nurseries, but no problem with Lemox ®, you can buy big tree for 10€ in Italy.

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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2019, 04:13:35 PM »
Hey Radoslav gotta say, you were right!
Found one here:
https://www.vivaisquadrito.it/580/Lemox%C2%AE.html
So well this is definitively reachable.
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« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2019, 03:06:15 PM »
I use lemons on pretty much everything. And here fresh seafood is pretty much the norm as well.

My motto is there is hardly any food that can't be improved by the addition of lemon juice (or hot sauce!).
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