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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2019, 04:14:06 PM »
Exactly & I use quite a bit of hot sauce as well. My favorite all around sauce is "Tears of the sun". For the hotter stuff we have a local company that makes "Sweeter Reaper" I grow reapers & really like the sauce.

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« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2019, 07:36:12 PM »
😍😍 and now Iím no longer thinking I have it all lol!

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« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2019, 05:52:03 PM »
Just want to thank everyone who has helped out. I've been planting & grafting quite a bit.  :D

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« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2019, 04:56:22 PM »
During the winter- early spring one can buy here these big bumpy lemons from Amalfi region, exceptionally good, moderately soar with sweet albedo.





Seeds are starting to pop. Thanks again Ilya!

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2019, 03:03:21 AM »
Very good, they all came from the fruit on the last photo.
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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2019, 11:19:40 AM »
Are Italian lemons more cold hardy than your standard eureka or Lisbon varietals? 
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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2019, 08:25:34 AM »
Many parts of Italy where they are growning are listed as 8b... Pancrazio could probably give you better information on this & how they are protected.
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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2019, 04:48:16 PM »
Widespread outside cultivation happens just in zone 9b, you can find folks that grows them outside in zone 9a in good/sheltered spots, but the plants are going to die eventually. Regarding the zone 8, there are basically no plants outside in winter, people grow them in pot and bring them inside. To be fair, most of the historical collection in central italy were grown in pot just because of that, rich people moved lemon in building made exactly for this reason called limonaie, and there they were kept and they could be also heated when needed.
There is an interesting exception to that. Well, the lemons weren't exceptionally cold hardy, but the place is microclimatically interesting: and those are the glacial lakes in nothern Italy, where in a couple of place they grew lemons due the warmer enviroment due the presence of the lake.
I wonder what kind of madman saw a glacial lake and said "i'm going to grow lemons here" but it did work!
I have been there last autumn. Keep in mind that place is 40 miles from Switzerland.  This is the landscape:





Amazing micro/nanoclimate in my opinion.
There's also a place there called "Limone sul garda" ( https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limone_sul_Garda )which sounds pretty much like "Lemon over the Garda lake" wich coincidentally has a widespread lemon cultivation. Such structure you see in the pics were used to put some trellis on lemons in order to defend them by light frosts in windless nights. If i were to search for an hardy lemon that is a good place to start, i guess, even if i don't know how much of the original clones may be still alive there. AFAIK no especially hardy lemon is widely grown in italy.
USDA zones are not so good for evaluating italian climate because i'm under the impression that our winter days are darker and cooler compared to same USDA zone of the east coast, and our spring/autumn are longer and also on average cooler (in same usda zones i mean). 

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2019, 06:21:03 PM »
C. limon "Femminello zagara bianca" min -5C (23F)



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« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2019, 06:23:07 PM »
C. limon "Amalphitanum Pane"

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« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2019, 06:28:53 PM »
C. limon "Lunario"

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« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2019, 06:34:54 PM »
C. limon "Foliis variegatis Alba"

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« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2019, 07:22:10 PM »
Very nice! Do you deliver? Lol!

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Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2019, 08:24:28 PM »
Femminello zagara bianca is mostly albedo.

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« Reply #64 on: May 26, 2019, 11:03:22 PM »
 :o


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« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2019, 11:07:19 PM »
Still my favorite...


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« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2019, 11:35:52 PM »
Holy cow look at the size of those lemons

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« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2019, 02:07:04 AM »
C. limonimedica "Pigmentata"


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« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2019, 07:19:07 AM »
What is this variety?

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« Reply #70 on: May 27, 2019, 07:33:31 AM »
Your "limon "Amalphitanum Pane" looks very similar to Lunario.

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« Reply #71 on: May 27, 2019, 08:20:26 AM »
Widespread outside cultivation happens just in zone 9b, you can find folks that grows them outside in zone 9a in good/sheltered spots, but the plants are going to die eventually. Regarding the zone 8, there are basically no plants outside in winter, people grow them in pot and bring them inside. To be fair, most of the historical collection in central italy were grown in pot just because of that, rich people moved lemon in building made exactly for this reason called limonaie, and there they were kept and they could be also heated when needed.
There is an interesting exception to that. Well, the lemons weren't exceptionally cold hardy, but the place is microclimatically interesting: and those are the glacial lakes in nothern Italy, where in a couple of place they grew lemons due the warmer enviroment due the presence of the lake.
I wonder what kind of madman saw a glacial lake and said "i'm going to grow lemons here" but it did work!
I have been there last autumn. Keep in mind that place is 40 miles from Switzerland.  This is the landscape:




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Beautiful area, amazing story.

I've got a couple of sticks grafted of Pomona seedless lemon, top working trees.  Anyone tried that one?  I assume it's Italian with name like that.

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« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2019, 08:32:09 AM »
I had one & got rot rid of it. Pomona  is acidless & not very good.

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« Reply #73 on: May 27, 2019, 11:14:25 AM »
I had one & got rot rid of it. Pomona  is acidless & not very good.

Yeah, I heard it's sweet due to the lack of acid.  It's a graft so if I don't like it I'll just cut off the branch.  Was a gift from a friend in Beaumont who paid big bucks for certified disease free citrus wood from TX A&M. 



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« Reply #74 on: May 27, 2019, 11:50:15 AM »
Laaz, now you got me interested in Italian lemons!!

 

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