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House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« on: May 30, 2019, 11:15:14 AM »
House inside the greenhouse. The heat loss of the house to heat the greenhouse. In the greenhouse it is now possible to grow a citrus garden

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2019, 01:20:29 PM »
The second question is whether it is possible to instill 10-30 varieties on one tree... And grow a garden of multi-grade trees

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2019, 02:58:32 PM »
House inside the greenhouse. The heat loss of the house to heat the greenhouse. In the greenhouse it is now possible to grow a citrus garden


There are some problems like Radon, you have to choose area with zero radon gas concentration, another is  high air humidity etc.
Heat loss is not enough to keep temperature above zero in big greenhouse.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2019, 03:00:21 PM by Radoslav »

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2019, 03:41:00 PM »
Assuming zoning/building codes allowed something like this, excess heat would be the most immediate problem. 

There's a lot of good solutions for really efficient houses and greenhouses using nonstandard building techniques.   I couldn't even my local government to approve a foundation type specified in the national contruction code that they base their codes on - because they weren't familiar with it - a Frost Protected Shallow Foundation.

Insurer's wouldn't insure something like this either.

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2019, 04:28:01 PM »
zero radon??
At high altitude greenhouse temperature will not be a problem

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2019, 04:32:40 PM »
Glass and metal


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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2019, 04:36:48 PM »

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2019, 05:58:24 PM »
That's really neat.  Is that your house?  You've already done this?

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2019, 06:10:11 PM »
There is such a house in sweden. It costs a lot.
In that climate it is okay during the summer.
https://www.ecowatch.com/couple-builds-greenhouse-around-home-to-grow-food-and-keep-warm-1882128131.html

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2019, 06:13:05 PM »
I would think the house would have a major problem with mold & rott.

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2019, 06:25:45 PM »
In Sweden near Stockholm air is dry during the summer. It's easy to vent.
If someone tries to do this in a zone with hot summers. It would be an oven.

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2019, 09:44:14 PM »
lebmung, asked if 10 to 30 varieties of citrus could be grafted upon one tree.  The answer is yes.  Joe Real, a member of this forum, had over 100 citrus varieties grafted on one tree.

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2019, 11:15:43 PM »
I did. There is no problem with mold & rott in the house. I designed the roof, so there's no heat. I do not use mesh and whitewash for shading

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2019, 11:31:32 PM »
There is no problem to instill 100 varieties. The problem is to balance the crown


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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2019, 11:41:04 PM »
Shading is grapes - varieties from Central Asia


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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2019, 11:47:29 PM »

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2019, 01:00:24 AM »
zero radon??
At high altitude greenhouse temperature will not be a problem


Radon from soil is dangerous, when concentrated.
In my country there are companies who provide measurement of radon level in building plot, when level is low, regular ventilation  is enough. When high, special isulation of base is needed when you build a house. When you cover house with greenhouse, you will encrease radon concentration.
Greenhouse temperature can easy reach 50C durig summer, high greenhouse can help, but water will condense on house walls and windows.

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2019, 03:18:25 AM »
For 7 years, the temperature in the greenhouse did not rise above 40C. In winter, water condenses on the outer walls of the greenhouse, there is no water on the walls of the house

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2019, 09:35:39 PM »
Very nice plants Samodelkin
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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2019, 02:03:18 AM »
I like red citrus varieties
C. meyerii x c. sinensis "doppio sanguigno"
C. clementina "amoa 8"



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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2019, 03:18:51 AM »
Very nice work! I am thinking about something like this since a long time. Congrats!
Here are some ideas I would like to contribute for everyone how is interested:

In Germany there is a company using a greenhouse around the house to heat it. The oven is placed outside in the greenhouse cause it is too warm otherwise. To prevent mold it is vented on top and walls are water vapour permeable. Water vapour will follow natural vapour pressure from inside to outside. No mold and rotting issues. Radon is discharged to the outside.
These houses have very low heating costs. But your area is definately colder in winter but might have more sun in winter?
https://www.bio-solar-haus.de/

This might be the same house in Sweden like in the link from lebmung
https://lantliv.com/lantliga-hem/vi-byggde-vart-hus-i-ett-glasvaxthus/

There is a very clever way to heat a greenhouse (and the house) in Nebraska made by Russ Finch.
This won`t work in Germany cause soil temperatures are colder due to missing snow cover in winter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk

http://www.citrusinthesnow.com/

Is there a more detailed description of your house somewhere? I am interested in technical details like floor plans, ventilation,  air flow etc.
Would be really interesting!
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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2019, 03:44:29 AM »
In winter, a lot of sun - it helps to save on heating the house. The house inside the greenhouse cools down for a very long time, so no heating is required on Sunny days. Heating in winter dries the air in the house, the greenhouse corrects it.

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2019, 03:49:12 AM »
Interesting that it is not overheated in summer. That was my main concern. Do have any special technic to prevent overheating or is it just the system by itself?

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2019, 03:54:17 AM »
In the house and the greenhouse there is no ventilation system - only windows.
In the greenhouse for cooling and humidifying sprinkling system

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Re: House in greenhouse. Citrus garden
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2019, 04:01:08 AM »
How do you heat in winter? Do you use gas or oil?
I am really impressed a simple but efficient system!

 

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