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Insane ,,pest,, control
« on: August 13, 2019, 04:55:27 AM »
Just found this umbelievable news about poisoned firecrackers used to kill wildlife. https://youtu.be/sqt7xA30m_o

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2019, 08:37:20 AM »
This is a really one sided piece, as one would expect. It's easy to say a product is too dangerous to use without explaining how it works. I have some experience with these cyanide bombs. They have no pyrotechnics, are spring loaded. A cyanide capsule is placed on a tensioned spring and it is covered with fermented meat. The smell attracts scavengers, who grab it with their mouth and it ejects the cyanide. It does not create a floating cloud that travels. Trained, licensed employees of the Federal Govt. place them in predator traffic area. They cannot be within sight of any inhabited structure. They must have a sign next to, or above the trap warning of the danger and telling anyone to leave the area.
We have a real problem with coyotes, wolves and other predators in S. TX, where our place is. it was bad enough in our area that the Feds assigned a control specialist to our county for several months at a time for several years. We never had any unintended consequences on our place.
 Our guinea fowl and chickens are a favorite of these thieves. They will literally wipe out a flock 2 or 3 a day until they are all gone. If I don't have birds to eat grasshoppers I don't have trees. The grasshoppers girdle, weaken and kill the young ones, so you can't get them established.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2019, 09:09:26 AM »
Wolf is extinct through out most of USA,like 90  percent of USA.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf
In Romania we have the most wolves in Europe and we made experiments on deer wich revealed that deers increased their numbers and grew healthyer while being predated by wolfs.
Also wolfs make jackals and coyotes extinct verry fast but now we prefer jackals instead of wolves in somme places and we protect them .People made protests against a politician that wanted to kill all the jackals and cormorants recently and he didnt got away with it,in fact it ruined his career.
Here we got to the point where the groundsquirrels and the field mice are protected animals and it shows on the enviroment.
Its really sad for the enviroment what happens in USA and the guys that shot jackals even shot by mistake the endangered red wolves wich are less than 50 left in the wild .
https://medium.com/wild-without-end/the-red-wolf-of-yesterday-today-and-tomorrow-74ca4e8a9c0e

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2019, 09:30:26 AM »
We have gray wolves. They don't run in big packs. I know that in places wolves have displaced coyotes, but we have both. They are very hard on the rabbit and jackrabbit populations. Sometimes wiping them out for a time. The one I'm most concerned about now is the cougar that has added our place to it's territory. Down here that is an apex predator.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2019, 11:11:08 AM »
What does it have to do with tropical fruit growing? 

At the surface using these devices does look bad to me. On the other hand Russian owned news outlets surely have a biased reporting on issues in the US.

Maybe you should focus more on appropriate topics for this website instead of stirring the pot on controversial topics. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2019, 11:16:17 AM »
What does it have to do with tropical fruit growing? 

At the surface using these devices does look bad to me. On the other hand Russian owned news outlets surely have a biased reporting on issues in the US.

Maybe you should focus more on appropriate topics for this website instead of stirring the pot on controversial topics.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2019, 06:15:44 PM »
What does it have to do with tropical fruit growing? 

At the surface using these devices does look bad to me. On the other hand Russian owned news outlets surely have a biased reporting on issues in the US.

Maybe you should focus more on appropriate topics for this website instead of stirring the pot on controversial topics.
It reminds me when Mao decided to poison all the small birds like sparrows, in China ,because they ate too much rice.And that killing of the sparrows led to big insect and rats infestations.After that they had to import sparrows and they also did experiments with pesticides in somme places where even today farmers have to pollinate all crops by hand because they killed all the polinators.
It impressed me a bit too much because im a professional like those from EPA should have been so i posted it here as a proof of the demonisation of pests and mocking of nature.

Edit: i had to make my own forum about pests so that il not troll otther people forums.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2019, 06:38:12 PM by SeaWalnut »

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2019, 07:40:00 PM »
If the Obama administration allowed this it wouldn’t even be news..... that was clear when the video started and I could on see the words Trump. Points are made a lot easier if it is not tied to politics.

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2019, 07:53:46 PM »
This kind of pest control had been banned in Australia for a long time because we couldn't stop it from being used by native animals like dingos, but recently a modification to the design based on the jaws of the fox so only they can use it has been made. This would make it a very precise and effective way of dealing with such a ecologically damaging pest.

I think with most methods of pest control, there are some places/conditions where it will work and others where it won't, and it is a matter of use/abuse.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2019, 07:57:29 PM by Pademelon1 »

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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2019, 08:21:57 PM »
If the Obama administration allowed this it wouldn’t even be news..... that was clear when the video started and I could on see the words Trump. Points are made a lot easier if it is not tied to politics.
Im not tied to politics and i still consider liberals do as much harm to the USA enviroment by following fake news about the asian carps and try to kill them.Asian carps,especially the jumping ones should be released in any polued lake and river for the benefit of the whole ecosystem and native fish because these fish are the only real and the best solution to eutrophisation like in the dead lake Erie,the Florida red algae blooms .These fish pose no threat and do not harm native ecosystems but instead they clean the water and protect native species from becoming extinct through eutrophisation ,all scientifically prooved ,iet americans are brainwashed into hating them.Trump,in his ignorance could actually save the great lakes if these carps really establish there ,because he cut the funds that were meant to stop them and thus  causing probably biggest enviromental restoration in USA ( by mistake because his administration and the guys from EPA have no idea what they are doing ).
And its nothing biased to complain since these are russian news and russians did supported Trump a lot and thats why hes got president .If it was news from CNN i would agree.
Conclusion: people needs educated there,scientists from EPA are good to nothing and they are the worst professionals in the world even before Trump.

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2019, 11:16:08 PM »
Asian carps,especially the jumping ones should be released in any polued lake and river for the benefit of the whole ecosystem and native fish because these fish are the only real and the best solution to eutrophisation like in the dead lake Erie,the Florida red algae blooms .These fish pose no threat and do not harm native ecosystems but instead they clean the water and protect native species from becoming extinct through eutrophisation ,all scientifically prooved ,iet americans are brainwashed into hating them.
This is an insane thing to say.

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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2019, 11:45:21 PM »
Asian carps,especially the jumping ones should be released in any polued lake and river for the benefit of the whole ecosystem and native fish because these fish are the only real and the best solution to eutrophisation like in the dead lake Erie,the Florida red algae blooms .These fish pose no threat and do not harm native ecosystems but instead they clean the water and protect native species from becoming extinct through eutrophisation ,all scientifically prooved ,iet americans are brainwashed into hating them.
This is an insane thing to say.
It looks insane but its all scientifically prooved and im the professional that protects ecosystems,measures soil water and air samples in the lab,etc.I am like EPA professional.Anything i can proove and give scientific reference to back my claim .Bring me your best american scientists from EPA to a debate about asian carps and il beat them all just to add that to my fall of fame.Nothing will change about the beneficial carps because people does not respect them and they were brainwashed by media and fake scientists that i wonder where did they get theyr diplomas .
Your a smart guy that googled and found out that asian carps are good to clean the water and prevent euthrophisation .You even said you can get a permit to get carps for that reason and the question is,why you think my statement is insane?

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2019, 06:21:42 AM »
I'm sure in Romania that Asian carp have been found to beneficial; Asian carp refers to a number of species, of which some are native to the region, and so the ecosystem has co-evolved around them. In places like North America and Australia, where Asian carp are considered noxious pests, they are not native, and the ecosystem is not able to keep equilibrium with them. There is no need to compare the work of the US and Romania, I'm sure both have their good sides and down sides, but to dismiss Asian carp as an environmental threat in these regions is to overlook significant amounts of genuine research.

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2019, 07:54:58 AM »
Hi Folks, When I replied to the initial post all I was trying to do was bring some balance to a very skewed report, since I have seen these controls work. Let's let this topic die. Back to fruit!
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2019, 01:14:36 PM »
I'm sure in Romania that Asian carp have been found to beneficial; Asian carp refers to a number of species, of which some are native to the region, and so the ecosystem has co-evolved around them. In places like North America and Australia, where Asian carp are considered noxious pests, they are not native, and the ecosystem is not able to keep equilibrium with them. There is no need to compare the work of the US and Romania, I'm sure both have their good sides and down sides, but to dismiss Asian carp as an environmental threat in these regions is to overlook significant amounts of genuine research.
If you read carefull ,youl see i mention the jumping type of asian carp ( silver carp).And altough it might seem crazy ,an introduced specie like this protects the enviroment  and the native species.
All the ,,genuine researchers,, you mention are soo dumb that they dont even know the phosphorus cycle in nature and how these carps are the only solution to eutrophisation.
Its the phosphorus cycle wich cause algal blooms and eutrophisation and phosphorus cycle works the same way in Australia and North America as it does in Romania.

Australians killed 70 percent of the Great Barrier Reef by eutrophisation. If you had used asian carps in time this could have been prevented.Its still not too late for enviromental restoration but as i said,your soo called ,,genuine researchers,, are decades away from understanding the phenomenon and they think their the smartest not willing to learn from otthers( just like americans). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3946114/
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2019, 01:52:40 PM »
Is this thread just meant to be a troll?

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2019, 03:36:26 PM »
Is this thread just meant to be a troll?
No.This is a discussion between big boys ( mens).If you are underage or faint hearted or maybe you dont like to read about pests,feel free to read another forum.

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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2019, 10:44:03 PM »
To make clear what this post is about,its not about trolling .
Its a friendly post about pests and how to deal with them from the point of view of a professional ecologist ,myself.
In future i plan to post here how to catch and release rats and how to diy squirrel houses and install them in trees,etc.
The main idea i want to spread ,its about ,,killingry,, as oposed to ,,livingry,, ,like in the video below with the last message left to us by a genius.
My belief is that if you practice killingry ,you lost from the start no matter your intentions.
Australia is verry concerned about their enviroment and native animals.They focus on killing foxes and invasive animals like carps ( killingry) ,saying that they protect the enviroment the best.
These guys ,altough they think they are enviromentalists,they are not enviromentalists in a good way .
They focus on killing invasive animals but what they do not know ,its that a foreign animal like the chinese silver carp is the only such animal evolved to stop pollution from phosphorus that caused the Great Barrier Reef to be 70 % dead.
70 percent dead reef just in the past 100 years ,its equivalent to 70 percent deforestated Amazonian forest.
Because corals draw CO2 to build their skeletons wich now they do it 70 % less, we got global warming threat and the biggest culprit in the world its not the pollution and smoke caused by USA and China.Its Australia fault that they killed the Great barrier reef with their sewage they drain into the sea.I estimate Australia impact on global warming its probably 3 times more than USA and China together because of this.
Australia is soo poore in phosphorus that manny proteaceae plants they have can die if you fertilise them with a kilogram of manure.Corals are even more sensitive to phosphorus because they are photosynthetic and just a little phosphorus  from sewage creates a cyanobacteria film that covers them,they dont get enough light and they die.I know this because i kept at home,as pets,live corals from The Great Barrier Reef.
The chinese carps could save The Great Barrier Reef if they are used to clean the lakes and rivers where the sewage waters drain first before reaching the sea.
And indirectly,without making zero harm to the native ecosystems ,the chinese carps could fix the global warming.
Indirectly because the carps dont absorb much CO2 but the corals that carps can protect ,do absorb a lot of CO2.
So ,because australians are uninformed.and have bad scientists,whoole world suffers from their ignorance and the result is global warming,stronger hurricanes in USA,etc,it affects us all.
https://youtu.be/cXsOdjlCSYw



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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2019, 08:17:42 AM »
Corals are not a sink for CO2, they are a source of CO2.

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2019, 09:46:02 AM »
I like your theory about killing and living. I didn't grow up hunting. Had no desire to do so. My parents grew up on  working cattle ranches but taught me to have empathy for all animals. I do. When we bought our land we let areas grow up for wildlife habitat. We enjoyed (and still do) watching wild animals. The problem arose when I decided we decided to start our fruit and nut plantings. The first problem was water. We fixed that. The next problem was biblical grasshopper epocalipses. They would defoliate, then girdle everything and kill it. I brought in guinea fowl and they lessened the damage and finally got it under control. While that was happening all those animals we had built up habitat for found our guineas and had a smorgasbord! I, who had never hunted had no choice. We tried repellants, shiny stuff hanging on the fences, glowing red leds to simulate predator eyes....everything I could think of. Nothing worked. I had to choose between my guineas and therefore trees living or the critters that killed them. I chose the former. I chose the life side of the equation, which meant killing some predators. It seems to me that is the way mother nature works anyway. D

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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2019, 05:13:15 PM »
@Pokeweed,im not saying people should not take care of pests ,but i dislike the hate ideas that are spread about ,,pests,,.
Go in a city and ask any woman or a liberal hipster what they think about carps.Altough they never seen a carp in their life and they dont know the biology of the fish ,they will say ,,kill it with fire,, .
They dont have have education on the matter but i still think it shows the evil in the people.
@ Pineislander,what do you want to proove with this?You are right about it  in the strict sence ,but i was refering at the fact corals ( stony corals) take carbonate to build their skeleton wich is made of calcium carbonate ,CaCO3.Fixing carbonate from the water lowers the CO2 in the atmosphere,greenhouse effect,etc.
Corals dont take CO2 directly like plants.They are not plants ,are animals.

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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2019, 07:03:04 PM »
Fixing carbonate from the water lowers the CO2 in the atmosphere,greenhouse effect,etc.
This is a common misconception. It works like this:
Ca++  +  2HCO3-   =  CaCO3  + H2O  + CO2

For every calcium bicarbonate corals take in to make calcium carbonate an atom of carbon gets released as a CO2 molecule. Some of the CO2 does vent to atmosphere and when it rains down as carbonic acid toland dissolves crabon stored as limestone.
I love corals and though I'm a Marine engineer I did study chemistry and oceanography at University. Much of my life has been spent living on in or next to warm waters including 12 years on a coral reef and another ten years sailing on the ocean. The big practical global sink for carbon is in soils, so that's where I feed my livestock, underground. If we can figure how to avoid tillage and more land clearing much of the carbon problems will be resolved.


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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2019, 07:43:54 PM »
Fixing carbonate from the water lowers the CO2 in the atmosphere,greenhouse effect,etc.
This is a common misconception. It works like this:
Ca++  +  2HCO3-   =  CaCO3  + H2O  + CO2

For every calcium bicarbonate corals take in to make calcium carbonate an atom of carbon gets released as a CO2 molecule. Some of the CO2 does vent to atmosphere and when it rains down as carbonic acid toland dissolves crabon stored as limestone.
I love corals and though I'm a Marine engineer I did study chemistry and oceanography at University. Much of my life has been spent living on in or next to warm waters including 12 years on a coral reef and another ten years sailing on the ocean. The big practical global sink for carbon is in soils, so that's where I feed my livestock, underground. If we can figure how to avoid tillage and more land clearing much of the carbon problems will be resolved.
Totally wrong what you say .According to your statement ,coral reefs should not exist because corals produce CO2 that combined with water produces a weak seltzer that dissolves their skeletons.
Corals expell CO2 but they also fix CO2 ( carbonate actually).Carbonic acid its weak,cant melt all the coral reefs and all the seashells.Also corals grow in places with high ph,the higher the better wich protects them from the acids that could dissolve them a little.
Plants also expell CO2 by breathing bux fix it back and more than they expell ,through photosynthesis.
Corals and seashells fix the carbon by growing their skeleton wich are made of 50 percent calcium and 50 percent carbonate.
When i kept stony corals at home,i used to smoke a lot and the CO2 in the room with the corals was soo high that it affected the water ph.Somme corals did died,otthers stopped growth but none disolved visibly and somme corals like the hardy corals from Great Barrier Reef,the duncanopsamia,acanthastrea,favites,etc were still growing a little even in such bad conditions.

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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2019, 08:27:19 PM »
Fixing carbonate from the water lowers the CO2 in the atmosphere,greenhouse effect,etc.
This is a common misconception. It works like this:
Ca++  +  2HCO3-   =  CaCO3  + H2O  + CO2

For every calcium bicarbonate corals take in to make calcium carbonate an atom of carbon gets released as a CO2 molecule. Some of the CO2 does vent to atmosphere and when it rains down as carbonic acid toland dissolves crabon stored as limestone.
I love corals and though I'm a Marine engineer I did study chemistry and oceanography at University. Much of my life has been spent living on in or next to warm waters including 12 years on a coral reef and another ten years sailing on the ocean. The big practical global sink for carbon is in soils, so that's where I feed my livestock, underground. If we can figure how to avoid tillage and more land clearing much of the carbon problems will be resolved.
I know a lot about corals even thogh i am in Romania ,an unexpected place for such type of knowlegde.Here is my friend coral reef at home.The big photosynthetic clam in the video ,probably weighs 20 kilos now and he has another 10 of smaller ones.
Think twice when you enter a debate about carbon with me because im a professional exactly on this matter.
Enjoy : https://youtu.be/DbDCdHYT-Gw

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2019, 08:47:02 PM »
Totally wrong what you say .According to your statement ,coral reefs should not exist because corals produce CO2 that combined with water produces a weak seltzer that dissolves their skeletons.
No, I'm totally accurate, the equation is correct. Coral reefs are well known to be a net carbon source not sink you can research it & won't find disagreement in the literature. Don't forget that the equilibrium of hydrogen ion concentration (ph) in ocean water is also influenced by dissolved calcium, sodium and magnesium carbonates which act as buffers to resist acidification. The ocean is quite different from an aqaurium. I've been responsible for desalination and water boiler equipment in my career as chief engineer on oceangoing ships and understand a bit of water chemistry. 

 

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