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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2019, 05:33:18 PM »
Anytime Shane!

While we were at Franks moms place, we noticed that all of Franks trees were exploding with growth. They were so big and bushy that they created a dense and thick canopy that shaded out much of the light. Here are a few random pictures of fruit and trees from Franks moms place









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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2019, 05:39:42 PM »
Brix in the 20's?  That sounds disappointing.  Where were all of those SoCal mangoes pushing 40 that were reported before?

Sam, that was only gozp that was able to get Brix readings so high. The Brix we got this year is noticeably lower than in previous years but it was still a great mango season. In this low Brix mango year, we were able to find out that Sweet Tart and Venus are still able to produce top notch fruit.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2019, 06:19:26 PM »
Very nice report.

Thanks Simon and others!

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2019, 09:21:08 PM »
Anytime Fruitfool

The mango tasting is actually not over yet. We still have plenty of Mangos hanging on the tree and we will be able to evaluate these a little better because we won’t have to force ripen these. We will pick them at full maturity and evaluate them when they are fully ripe.

We still have Cotton Candy, Sweet Tart, Peach Cobbler and Leo’s still has many varieties hanging on his trees.

Here a couple Peach Cobblers just starting to color up a bit.

Cotton Candy

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2019, 11:30:13 PM »
you guys should just do videos of the events instead.  I have to say, different people, different taste.  My sister and I like Mahachanok, her SO likes malika this year.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2019, 12:03:21 AM »
Simon,

I have cotton candy tree, I am very interested in
your tasting report on this variety.
Please keep us updated when it ripens for you.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2019, 12:41:00 AM »
you guys should just do videos of the events instead.  I have to say, different people, different taste.  My sister and I like Mahachanok, her SO likes malika this year.

Funny you should mention Maha, I found some raw chicken that had gone off, but didn't have a off-putting odor, I had my SO smell it, it really didn't smell bad, but it did smell like Maha.  :o Can't lie, I was tempted to try, but the skin had already begun to saponify so I didn't. It's the Durio odor.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2019, 01:15:09 AM »
you guys should just do videos of the events instead.  I have to say, different people, different taste.  My sister and I like Mahachanok, her SO likes malika this year.

Funny you should mention Maha, I found some raw chicken that had gone off, but didn't have a off-putting odor, I had my SO smell it, it really didn't smell bad, but it did smell like Maha.  :o Can't lie, I was tempted to try, but the skin had already begun to saponify so I didn't. It's the Durio odor.

well, mahachannook has floral odor.  Durian order can be more like gas like.  My mom's friend brought a durian into an office, next thing you know, the fire trucks and all show up. They thought it was some kind of gas leak.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2019, 01:31:05 AM »
Yeah, I’ve been approached several times regarding videos of various grafting techniques and now for the mango tastings but it is a lot of work. Someone would have to video the event and that person would probably have to miss out on the actual mango tasting. The video would also have to be edited.

Fruitfool, I’m also very interested in how the Cotton Candy will taste. Unfortunately, these two fruit still holding on my tree are growing on a potted tree on Florida Turpentine rootstock. The tree doesn’t have very many leaves and I don’t think they will reach full potential but I’m hopeful. I’ll definitely keep everyone updated.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2019, 01:34:47 AM »
Maha Chanok, at least the ones I grew, gave off a very strong and pleasant Mango odor when it is ripe. Glenn’s also give off a very strong and pleasant tropical peachy mango smell that is very different from Maha.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2019, 03:26:24 AM »
you guys should just do videos of the events instead.  I have to say, different people, different taste.  My sister and I like Mahachanok, her SO likes malika this year.

Funny you should mention Maha, I found some raw chicken that had gone off, but didn't have a off-putting odor, I had my SO smell it, it really didn't smell bad, but it did smell like Maha.  :o Can't lie, I was tempted to try, but the skin had already begun to saponify so I didn't. It's the Durio odor.

well, mahachannook has floral odor.  Durian order can be more like gas like.  My mom's friend brought a durian into an office, next thing you know, the fire trucks and all show up. They thought it was some kind of gas leak.

I made the same mistake once when somebody brought a durian into the chemistry building during finals week, I thought it was a gas leak.

The mercaptans that are used to odorize flammable gas are very similar if not the same as some of the sulfurous compounds present in durian. It's a smell I can't appreciate, and it makes me gag.

That said, it's a non-offensive odor present in durian that I found in the decomposing chicken and the Maha. Similar to how yeasty smells in lager or bread and bacterially generated lacto odors can be present in sour beer can be appealing, not all odors of decomposition and fermentation need be offensive. Somehow there's a shared compound in the mix(Maha, durio, spoiled chicken) that smells musty tropical.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2019, 05:41:53 PM »
I was sure this thread was elaborate fake news.  Simply because I wasn't invited. 

Thanks for detailing this epic event.

“The day progressed and some people had to tap out. They couldn’t take so much sugar and mango in one day. Rookies. ”

Classic.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2019, 07:08:23 PM »
Yeah, I’ve been approached several times regarding videos of various grafting techniques and now for the mango tastings but it is a lot of work. Someone would have to video the event and that person would probably have to miss out on the actual mango tasting. The video would also have to be edited.

Simon

I volunteer to be the video guy for the next tasting!!!   I was thinking if you got a few tripod and camera. When people are tasting them, they can walk themself in front of the camera and push the play button  to describe the taste  while they are eating it. And we would LOVE to see their facial expression during the tasting. 

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2019, 07:50:39 PM »
Future, where there are Mangos, I know you will always be there in spirit!

Kim, every mango tasting so far had at least one or more Mangos where people dropped their jaws and said “wooow”. In previous years, it was Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart, Seniorita, Piña Colada and now Venus. I love watching people’s expressions when they taste a top tier mango at its peak. People that have eaten Kent, Haden and Tommy Atkins all their life can’t believe how crazy sweet and delicious these newer mango varieties are.

Good sized Sweet Tart

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2019, 08:13:19 PM »





 OS sugar bomb as you let it ripen in counter....quick one week ripening does not work.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2019, 08:18:14 PM »
Man Frank, I was hoping one of the OS at the event would be prime but at least you the properly ripened ones are good.

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2019, 08:27:24 PM »
Man Frank, I was hoping one of the OS at the event would be prime but at least you the properly ripened ones are good.

Simon

Yes Simon, you have to harvest them properly and them let them ripen at their pace not under heat mat, insulation, in the garage....that manipulation doesn’t work.

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2019, 09:15:42 AM »
And to think we grew up in the 50's and 60's thinking you couldn't grow mangoes in SoCal!  We'd go to the L.A.Central Wholesale Market in the 70's and buy boxes of Kent mangoes from Mexico and think they were perfection.  You've come a long way, guys!
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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2019, 06:33:03 PM »
2020 - save me a seat!!

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2019, 10:47:01 PM »
Many extended and illustrated  posts from Simon. well done!

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« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2019, 10:53:11 PM »
2020 - save me a seat!!
Go there. Mango growing and this includes stupid bad mangoes is too easy in FL.  No sarcasm!

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« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2019, 05:21:07 AM »
OH!  You mango-guys are having TOO MUCH FUN!
At the CRFG/San Diego plant sale at Bancroft Sustainability Center last week, we moved a lot of new mangos -- Fruit Punch, Maha Chanok, Val Carrie, Alphonso, Alampur Baneshan, and many others.    SO IMPRESSED AND INSPIRED by your account of this enormous tasting event!

So in response, I'm planning a grape-tasting for mid-August 2020 that'll knock your socks off. I grow at five different locations, and will pull together whatever is ripe mid-August.  I'm listing about 40 varieties, most will be in good shape mid-August.

Northminster Presbyterian church by Clairmont Square:
Black Eagle   Large clusters, large berries, 19th. C Exhibition grape.  Mellow Concord with a bit of blueberry wine flavor when perfectly ripe.  Vine is female, needs hand-pollination for full clusters.
Dutchess, White, "Dutchess dots," racy flavor that makes you keep going back for more.
(Goldfinger and Madresfield Court in future years)
Goldfinger is a yellow witch-finger type just released from Japan.
Madresfield Court is an exquisite hot-house grape from England.
Swenson Red.  Strawberry flavor, dumb-bell clusters, small crunchable seeds.
(Kyoshusanjaku in future years, a long pink Japanese wine grape with tough skins.)
New York Muscat.  EXQUISITE muscat flavor, healthy vine!
Bronx Seedless (MAYBE, it doesn't sweeten up in Clairmont.)
Yellow with pink blush, mild fruity flavor.

Lemon Grove:
Joy: new seedless with INTENSE sugar, acid, fruity flavor.  Makes every other grape taste like WATER.
Golden Muscat.  Large berries, citrus/muscat flavor.
Muscat Hamburg.  CLASSIC pure vinifera for rich muscat flavor.
Uzbekistan Muscat.  HUGE clusters, mild muscat flavor.
Kyoho.  Huge tetraploid with sophisticated Conocord/muscat flavor; slip-skin.

Captivator   Small pink clusters, fruity flavor.
Orange Muscat.  rich bouquet of orange blossoms.
Muscat Blanc a Petits Grain.  Origin of muscat flavors.

Hillcrest, between two houses.
Delaware   small pink berries, fruity flavor, Standard 19th C grape.  Small, seedy berries and paper-like skin make it a JAM  grape.
Jefferson  Iona x Concord, MUCH better looking than Iona, has much of Iona's exquisite fruity flavor & melting texture.
Seneca  spicy flavor like white gum-drops; crunchy berries.  Bad vine, must be grafted.
Steuben  Concord + Spicy flavor.
Goethe.  A Roger's hybrid of enormous historical significance for being part of the first wave of vinifera x labrusca crossings.  Muscat Hamburg, sophisticated vinifera, x 'Sage'/'Mammoth,' an extremely primitive and healthy American labrusca with five pink berries to the cluster.  The two strains are VISIBLY fighting in the roughly textured leaves...
Neptune.  You know that fruity banana-oil you smell when going by an auto-paint-shop?  Neptune has that in spades, but in a good way.
Eumelan.  Black Supposed to be spicy-flavored. Pretty mild last year.
Concord.  Nasty, in comparison to all the other, better, newer grapes available now, but important for history & comparison.  Vine produces like crazy however you prune it.
Diamond   Small yellow-green berries with rich apple/Lemon/Mineral flavors.

Bancroft Sustainability Center:
1   Compassion   (still on waiting list, no vine yet)  Dr. Clark of U Ark, the breeder, tells me I should forget about 'Cotton Candy,' the fruit/muscat flavor and crunchy texture of his new seedless grape, Compassion, will blow it out of the water.
2   Faith       Blue, seedless, slight fruity flavor.      
3   Gratitude       New Crunchy-textured white grape, had first cluster this August, very nice.         
4   Hope       Green/White,  fruity.
5   Joy         AMAZINGLY INTENSE sugar/acid/fuity flavor! Little blue footballs, seedless.      
6    Jupiter         Seedless blue, good disease resistance, every berry is a rush of ethereal muscat flavor.  Skin is munchy-munchy like coleslaw, tho.
7   Reliance      Seedless fruity pink, said to have fruity bouquet of Pink grapefruit.   
8   Everest        (not fruiting until 2021)  New release from Cornell:  Concord flavor, but seedless, twice as a big, and with better skin and better texture; juicy with Concord flavor.
9   Aromella  New wine-grape from Cornell; said to have honeysuckle, citrus, muscat, and pineapple flavors.  AND IT DOES!
10    New York Muscat   Overwhelmingly beautiful muscat flavor.  Everyone is always amazed by this grape!  And the vine is healthy even right by the coast.
11   Canada Muscat  (said to have Passionfruit flavor)
12   Steuben       excellent Spicy Concord flavor
13    Buffalo      Looks like Concord, but more fruity/spicy, less Welchy.
14    Keuka          pink, vinous, recommended by Reisch of Cornell, rather astringent here.
15   Wapanuka        White, top-quality, with a subtle, haunting spicy, smoky muscat flavor.
16   Herbemont      "The old Texas Brown Grape."  1/2" berries, said to be good for table as well as wine.
17   Atoka              America x Delaware
18    Fern Munson      Off-spring of Catawba; said to have same foxy flavor, but better disease-resistance.      
19   Diamond Muscat   New seedless yellow muscat.  Jury is out which of these two is the stronger muscat.  Both are powerful growers.
20   Summer Muscat    New seedless yellow muscat.   

CACG by SDSU
Golden Champion.  Large golden berries, rich muscat flavor; a hold-over from the 19th C hot-house tradition, still grown in UK.  Needs help with pollination here.
Delicatessen.  A wine-grape from Munson, 3/4 native TX grapes in its breeding.  Foliage is deep green, rugose, sturdy, and sturdy, no disease-problems.  Canes are purple.  Berries have super-strong fruity perfume of Concord grapes, raspberries, and other fruits.  Makes a LUSCIOUS jam.

Keep in touch for details!

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Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2019, 09:19:52 PM »
2020 - save me a seat!!

Future, I’m sure Frank has a seat reserved for you.

Thanks Zands, I know people can’t resist pictures of mango porn.

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« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2019, 10:06:41 PM »
Mark, thanks for sharing the details about the different varieties of grapes you’re growing. I’m not a grape grower so I’ve never heard about most the varieties you listed but I sure am interested in sampling them. The last grapes I had were the Cotton Candy and the elongated black grapes and they were both excellent tasting. Actually I just looked in the fridge and my wife picked up a box of “Flavor Promise” grapes from Trader Joe’s and they have an excellent crisp texture that is very low acid, almost no acidity and are Seedless. They are reddish in color.


Wow, this grape is really amazing! I just took a Brix reading and it came out to be 23.5%. This grape has the best crisp and firm texture I’ve ever had in a grape.

Simon

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« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2019, 10:11:58 PM »
Mark, thanks for sharing the details about the different varieties of grapes you’re growing. I’m not a grape grower so I’ve never heard about most the varieties you listed but I sure am interested in sampling them. The last grapes I had were the Cotton Candy and the elongated black grapes and they were both excellent tasting. Actually I just looked in the fridge and my wife picked up a box of “Flavor Promise” grapes from Trader Joe’s and they have an excellent crisp texture that is very low acid, almost no acidity and are Seedless. They are reddish in color.


Wow, this grape is really amazing! I just took a Brix reading and it came out to be 23.5%. This grape has the best crisp and firm texture I’ve ever had in a grape.

Simon
speaking of cotton candy - if anyone has a plant of that one I'm interested. I kept looking for a bit of vine to root in those packs and had no luck. Wife really loves them.
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