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Salak id
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:39:58 AM »
We grow s. Salacca, s. Affinis, s. Walllichiana, and what was represented as a Bali salak. So this is about the ĎBalií version.
The fruit is very similar to salacca. But individual plants seem to be diocious and have flowers that look quite different, especially the male flowers. In the photos you see a male plant and in the other a receptive female cone that we have pollinated by tapping a picked male flower on the female and leaving it there.
What salak is this?




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Re: Salak id
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2019, 09:38:51 AM »
Looks like Salacca to me, That's mostly what I grow.They where very sweet this year, most people said they tasted like grape soda!On another note have you ever seen the thornless salak?I seen them growing frankie's many years ago.

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Re: Salak id
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2019, 10:17:10 AM »
Is this the dwarf bali salak you got from rarepalmseeds?

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Re: Salak id
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2019, 10:35:51 AM »
It is kind of dwarfing. It came into production in only about 2 1/2 years which is quite fast. Our other salaks take a year longer. I got it from another grower in CR who said itís a a Bali type.
So hereís a photo of male inflorescences on my Java type salak. You can see they are quite different, much longer and especially thinner, skinny.
If it was Bali, would it have different sex flowers on different plants? 
I never heard of a different, dwarf salacca. Whatís the story with that?
Itís an interesting mystery for me.


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Re: Salak id
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2019, 07:17:50 AM »


This is a male Salak I grew from fruits I ate in Jawa. What Salak is it?

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Re: Salak id
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2019, 02:51:44 PM »
It looks a little different than either of mine, maybe half way between the too?  But it is certainly salacca salacca.  Iím thinking that the one I started the thread about is also a variety of s. salacca and not a true Bali variety.
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Re: Salak id
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2019, 07:04:28 AM »
This is the flower on another of my Salak. Can someone please ID?


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Re: Salak id
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2019, 07:36:41 AM »
S,wallichiana and S.zalacca are the two best species for eating a bit complicated. Each has over 20 names cultivated varieties.The S.wallichianas that reach the 'sala' level of development are variable in their spines but they are big,tillering and variety sumalee is perhaps the best along with nern wong.They improved a lot from the wilder sakum and rakum types and none are monoecious..
S.zalacca comes in two basic variations the Bali/Ambon 'amboensis' monoecious small tillering types seen in Bali like gula pasir and boni as well as about a dozen others. The other bigger dioecious 'zalacca' varieties are what you see in Java like Yogiyarta.
Chandra that one looks like S.wallichiana but the fruit would make it easier to be sure.

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Re: Salak id
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2019, 08:19:47 AM »
Hi guys. The question is a little off topic. I would like to grow Salac in my greenhouse. Can someone say which monoecious variety is best suited for growing in a container?
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Re: Salak id
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2019, 09:35:15 AM »
I have a s. affinis that is very, very good.  I have never had a wallichiana as good as the red salak I have.  The fruit is highly commercial for me at my market and itís hard to keep a stock of the plants in my nursery.
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Re: Salak id
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2019, 11:42:06 AM »

So this is my wallichiana. The spines are organized in a similar pattern to your photo, Chandra.  The inflorescence is very long. You can see the passed one with a new flower just beginning to bud out.
Peter

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Re: Salak id
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2019, 06:30:17 AM »
Thank you, Mike and Peter.

 

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