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Cherilata information
« on: March 03, 2020, 05:02:48 PM »
Heard the cherilata really tastes good. Has anybody eaten one? What did you think of the taste? Also, how is it to grow? Hand pollination required? Thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2020, 04:20:00 AM »
I bought a large 3g grafted one from Fruitscapes last fall, they had grafted maybe 20-30 of them. I believe the original budwood was from John Painters. Not sure on taste but seems to be growing well in zone 10

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2020, 09:28:12 AM »
Original tree is from Painter. Great fruit.

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2020, 09:45:06 AM »
Atemoya x custard apple. Wow. Can't wait to hear more about this.

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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2020, 11:05:26 AM »
Tikal reticulata X cherimoya cross ,red firm flesh,raspberry overtone flavor.Best quality fruit is in Winter and Spring in Florida.

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2020, 11:31:25 AM »
Tikal reticulata X cherimoya cross ,red firm flesh,raspberry overtone flavor.Best quality fruit is in Winter and Spring in Florida.

Thats for the details.
This sounds like a promising cross.

Is the seasoning limited like reticulata?
It would nice to have another fruit in our downtimes
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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2020, 12:08:43 PM »
John Painter shared one with my wife and I, I've got to say it was the tastiest damn fruit I've ever had! I could live off just those and would never tire of it.

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2020, 12:48:45 PM »
Person at Fruitscapes today said it was atemoya and reticulata cross.

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2020, 12:59:42 PM »
well if anyone can spare some budwood, count me in
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2020, 06:07:17 PM »
I did that cross back in 2003 almost lost all do to 2004 hurricane charley 150mph+.It is Tikal reticulata X cherimoya cross.I have done atemoya and reticulata cross also so far not as good.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2020, 11:05:44 PM »
I did that cross back in 2003 almost lost all do to 2004 hurricane charley 150mph+.It is Tikal reticulata X cherimoya cross.I have done atemoya and reticulata cross also so far not as good.

My apologies, you would know best then. It is cherilata, not atelata, lol.

Congrats on developing a new awesome fruit! Going to have to find room for this one.

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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2020, 04:32:04 PM »
What cherimoya variety was used in this cross? Given that cherimoyas struggle in south Florida.

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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2020, 10:08:12 AM »
About names:

When naming hybrids, the seed parent (mother) is named first.

So far, I have never seen a viable "atelata", which means Sugar-Apple ("ata" or "ate" or "atis", Annona squamosa) crossed with/pollinated by Custard-Apple (Annona reticulata).

"Atemoya" means Sugar-Apple crossed with Cherimoya (Annona cherimola);  this name has also usually been used also for Cherimoya crossed with Sugar-Apple, because people were not distinguishing.  "Atemoya" is the first of these "hybrid words" to name hybrid fruits, and was "coined" over a hundred years ago.

"Temoylata" means atemoya pollinated by Annona reticulata.

"Cherilata" is Annona cherimola pollinated by Annona reticulata.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2020, 11:22:11 AM »
About names:

When naming hybrids, the seed parent (mother) is named first.

So far, I have never seen a viable "atelata", which means Sugar-Apple ("ata" or "ate" or "atis", Annona squamosa) crossed with/pollinated by Custard-Apple (Annona reticulata).

"Atemoya" means Sugar-Apple crossed with Cherimoya (Annona cherimola);  this name has also usually been used also for Cherimoya crossed with Sugar-Apple, because people were not distinguishing.  "Atemoya" is the first of these "hybrid words" to name hybrid fruits, and was "coined" over a hundred years ago.

"Temoylata" means atemoya pollinated by Annona reticulata.

"Cherilata" is Annona cherimola pollinated by Annona reticulata.

Yes thatís why I ask whoever created this so call cherilata or temoylata  what Moya variety was used for the cross. I doubt it was a cherimola x reticulata cross because cherimoyas donít do well I n Florida....

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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2020, 12:22:13 PM »
About names:

When naming hybrids, the seed parent (mother) is named first.

So far, I have never seen a viable "atelata", which means Sugar-Apple ("ata" or "ate" or "atis", Annona squamosa) crossed with/pollinated by Custard-Apple (Annona reticulata).

"Atemoya" means Sugar-Apple crossed with Cherimoya (Annona cherimola);  this name has also usually been used also for Cherimoya crossed with Sugar-Apple, because people were not distinguishing.  "Atemoya" is the first of these "hybrid words" to name hybrid fruits, and was "coined" over a hundred years ago.

"Temoylata" means atemoya pollinated by Annona reticulata.

"Cherilata" is Annona cherimola pollinated by Annona reticulata.

This is nice and well for 1st generation crosses and second, but I wonder if naming conventions have been applied to the crosses further down the road.

With more hybrids in distribution with parentage at uneven ratios like Leo #3 being 3/4 cherimoya, and 1/4 ate, I expect if these types of hybrids are used in further breeding work, we will need to decide on more creative names.

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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2020, 12:27:52 PM »
Here is a pix of our Atemoya x 4718 cross. Thanks goes out to our forum member that provided the pix. Look at the leaves they resemble a reticulata. According to our friend the fruit ripens with a yellow tint the taste of the fruit is poor


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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2020, 01:09:13 PM »
The fall-back term, which is simple and always correct, is "Annona hybrid." 

When more than 3 species are in the mix, or when you have 2nd- or 3rd-generation offspring of hybrid bred with hybrid, or when you have back-crosses to species,
I suggest "complex Annona hybrid." as the general, simple, always correct terminology.
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2020, 01:18:32 PM »
It is true that Annona cherimola varieties usually don't produce enjoyably-edible fruits in Florida;  however, they can be babied-along to produce fruits with viable seeds, for purpose of hybridization.

In the 1980's and 1990's, at the Zill nurseries in Florida, I used 7 varieties of Cherimoya--- both as seed parents and as pollen parents--- to produce new "atemoyas", (including the 'Lisa'), and "Cherilatas", and "Cherilamas".
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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2020, 02:56:05 PM »
Please clarify it seems that above comments suggest cherilata is not a cross between cherimoya x reticulata? Pardon my lack of familiarity with this subject.

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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2020, 03:39:42 PM »
Annona cherimola = Cherimoya.
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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2020, 04:00:38 PM »
Hard to remember the seed acquisition ,as it was early 1990s like 91 or 92 crfg .The  seedling fruit had thumbprint  like skin not much larger than 2 inch fruit.Also made sugarlata! aka saramoya back in the 91 or 92 years.Har gave me the bug.Fun to mess around!

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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2020, 04:05:09 PM »
Impressa type, could be Spain, or FdJ, there were a few popular impressa types at that time.

Also it could have been just a random seedling, as many CRFG members were planting from seed.

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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2020, 11:43:16 PM »
It is true that Annona cherimola varieties usually don't produce enjoyably-edible fruits in Florida;  however, they can be babied-along to produce fruits with viable seeds, for purpose of hybridization.

In the 1980's and 1990's, at the Zill nurseries in Florida, I used 7 varieties of Cherimoya--- both as seed parents and as pollen parents--- to produce new "atemoyas", (including the 'Lisa'), and "Cherilatas", and "Cherilamas".

What happened with the Cherilamas? Were those the ones that were sterile? I can't remember all the details of your talk. For some reason I was under the impression that Ilama wasn't worth trying to cross.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2020, 10:25:01 AM »
Four half-ilama hybrids set fruit, but aborted them at 1-2 inches.  Growing conditions were bad, though.

Australians claim they have fruited some decent ones over there.

Ilama hybrids are definitely problematic, especially in poor soils that many Annona species have more tolerance for;  however, I would encourage someone to try again, under more fertile conditions.
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2020, 01:22:48 PM »
Four half-ilama hybrids set fruit, but aborted them at 1-2 inches.  Growing conditions were bad, though.

Australians claim they have fruited some decent ones over there.

Ilama hybrids are definitely problematic, especially in poor soils that many Annona species have more tolerance for;  however, I would encourage someone to try again, under more fertile conditions.

I am very excited to work on this here. I have greatly improved soil over here compared to anything native. Were all of the successful crosses cherimoya pollinated with ilama? I have three cherimoya here that I grafted mainly for breeding purposes. Non of my later season cherimoya and atemoya pollenated with reticulata held fruit to maturity.

All of this info is very helpful and I really appreciate it.
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Re: Cherilata information
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2020, 07:42:17 PM »
Also Temoylamas.
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