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'Durian' Cempedak
« on: January 06, 2013, 10:11:58 PM »
Here is a cempedak from a farm down the road, this has to be my favorite fruit next to durian, what an amazing flavor. Its very unique flavored fruit, somewhat like durian with its musky flavor notes. Its very sweet, soft mushy texture, somewhat juicy, relatively thin skin on a large round seed. The smell of the skin reminds me alot of some dish ive had, like chicken pot pie, a funky smell, but not sulfury like durian, just very potent. Ive been working on grafting this tree and have so far gotten one epicotyl graft.. working with other techniques to find the most suitable one.

maybe one day ill be able to provide others with grafted trees, everyone deserves to feast on this heavenly delite ;). Me thinks this tree must have been some variety originally brought over from Malaysia.

Anyways enjoy the fruit porn :)








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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 10:53:17 PM »
http://animagro.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/popular-jackfruit-clones-in-malaysia.html

They pretty well all originate from Malaysia but varieties have also been in surrounding areas for a long time.I have seen very similar ones here and can tell that must be a good one by its appearance being almost the same as ones I know. The ones in the link above might ring a few bells for chempa enthusiasts.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 11:24:45 PM »
I have a couple CH 26 clones planted on my land, only in their first year of growth so no idea on fruit stats... but the description sounds nice :) I love smelly fruits, they seem to taste the best !

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 12:27:30 PM »
Wow Roboto, looks and sounds incredible!  Put me down for a grafted tree whenever you have an extra.

New feature for the forum, SMELLOVISION (then taste).

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 08:20:17 PM »
Roboto
Nice photos of a great fruit!
Aloha 
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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2013, 09:32:32 AM »
Ture some chempadeks have a strong durian like taste, but not all. Like i said before there is a lot of diversity out there, and that means a lot of differences in flavor also.
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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2013, 11:51:37 AM »
yea Ive tasted a few different cempedaks so far, this one is my favorite, but they are all quite good. The other ive tried is a orange fleshed cempedak, small from Sarawak I think? anyways its great, really chewy thicky soft mushy pods, that taste of the little caramels squares you see at candy store, oh man is it good, maybe a toffee flavor in there as well.

Ive also tried a large enlongated cempedak that had a softer more delicate taste, that reminded me of a really good ripe breadfruit raw... kinda like some kind of vanilla pudding, without the vanilla part lol...

BUt none really are close to the one pictured above imo. I still have yet to try many different ones though so we'll see as time goes on.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2013, 05:49:14 PM »
The skin on the cempedak in your photo looks a little jak fruity.  Is it possible this one is a cempe-jak cross?  Before Sat, the only cempe-jak I had eaten was in Kapoho and it was not very good (at the time I had thought it was a cempedak), but the one I just had blew my mind.  The flesh was pale like yours, and it was so juicy with not much sulfur.  If you ever get to the Tenom Horticultural Park, look for the cempe-jak.  That was where I tasted it.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2013, 06:13:06 PM »
no this is most definitely pure cempedak... long hairs on the stems and leaves, unlike jack... even jack x cem crosses dont have hairs, only sparse little fuzz on stems and leaves...

Cempedaks shells vary alot... some are rough like this one... some are smooth... Same with jackfruit

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2013, 06:15:56 PM »


notice the hairs on this grafted cempedak... they are like 4mm long and dark brown... similar in other artocarpus species... jackfruits never have this... and jackfruit x cem crosses, like the Cheena, only have short fuzz...

Cempedak are usually alot smaller and more sausage like than jackfruits...

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2013, 06:18:54 PM »
it is one of my dreams to get over to Malaysia and Thailand to sample the cempedaks, durians, mangoes and mangosteens!... one day

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2013, 07:20:52 PM »
The amount of fuzz and hairs varies a bit between Chempa varieties but is always more or more sandpapery at least than jack seedlings.Some small fruiting jacks can have fruit less than 3lbs consistently and some larger fruiting chempas have fruit reaching 15 to 20lbs.
The softer skin of chempedak,,bulbs clinging to the core,browner seeds,different small and taste are other factors that help identify them.The skin of the 'twisted chempedak' looks jackfruit like at a glance.This one here looks 100% chempa to me.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2013, 07:28:56 PM »
Mike, those Amber jakfruit seedlings all have very coarse sandpapery leaves. Do many other jak have this sort of leaf?

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2013, 07:34:47 PM »
BMc yes but they are at the extreme in that character and are perhaps a slightly divergent jack from most.I am sure there is no chempa blood (sap).Seedlings of this type develop a strong papaya leaf pattern (as do many jacks) for a couple of years.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2013, 08:40:40 PM »
I have a 1 year old Honey Gold jackfruit planted and notice some fuzz on stems and leaves... only on new growth though

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2013, 11:27:16 PM »
it is one of my dreams to get over to Malaysia and Thailand to sample the cempedaks, durians, mangoes and mangosteens!... one day

Never seen chempadeks in Thailand. For great selection of chempadeks best places to go are either Malaysia or Brunei.
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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2013, 11:35:12 PM »
They are in thailand in small numbers and considered a poor quality jack due to sloppy flesh.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2013, 11:39:21 PM »
They are in thailand in small numbers and considered a poor quality jack due to sloppy flesh.

Probably their chemps considered poor because they don't yet have the good types. There really are some chemps that are poor quality.
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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2013, 01:19:33 AM »


notice the hairs on this grafted cempedak... they are like 4mm long and dark brown... similar in other artocarpus species... jackfruits never have this... and jackfruit x cem crosses, like the Cheena, only have short fuzz...

Cempedak are usually alot smaller and more sausage like than jackfruits...

Thanks for the education!  I had a 50 cent cempedak today.  My hand can wrap around  75% of the circumference.  The best one I've had was this size, so I have been ignoring the larger ones trying to find the great one again.  All of the cempedak here have much smoother skin than yours.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2013, 12:54:42 PM »
Never seen chempadeks in Thailand. For great selection of chempadeks best places to go are either Malaysia or Brunei.
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any idea what time of the year it should be in season?
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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2013, 12:59:24 PM »
Thailand do have some chempedaks and some are even being exported to Europe by this fruit company called orkos. The one on the pic (page n5) seems to be pretty yummy http://www.orkos.com/flipbook/F_Eu.html

Of course this is just minor business and indeed it is not a common fruit over there.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2013, 12:47:05 PM »
Well out of my second epicotyl grafting trial of the 'durian' cempedak onto jackfruit seedlings I got 5 of the original 16 still alive after several weeks, and through a few of the grafts tape I can see visible callusing of the union, which is a good sign... hell its a good sign they arent rotting or oozing this fermenting sap that seem to take the others.

This time I will baby them more as I had 2 success's die on me from exposing to the sun too intensely one day...

If they survive thats a 30% success rate, which isnt bad at all, considering its off season for jackfruit grafting, and this cempedak tree seems peculiar and finicky.

All of my side veneer and cleft grafts of the cempedak onto 1 year jackfruit seedlings have failed. One is still alive after several weeks, we'll see. My approach grafts are still hanging on the tree, not sure when to mess with these.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2013, 02:08:13 PM »
30% success rate, in my book that is a winner!  Hopefully they'll continue to grow nice and strong for you.

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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2013, 03:35:13 PM »
I found the Durian-Chempedak in Singapore.


So I bought one last day before I left to Thailand.


My first taste of chempedak. Really delicious



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Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2013, 07:36:52 PM »
great looking fruit, looks delicious! Would you say the skin is somewhat firm on the outside? The cempedak in OP is somewhat hard skin, sometimes the fruit will be fully ripe and the skin will feel rock hard... I notice there are soft skin and hard skin cempedaks

 

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