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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2020, 02:36:27 PM »
I want to go on the record and say that John is one of my all time favorite people ever. He has created an experimental commercial grove unlike anything I have ever seen and have learned so much from him. I have no doubt that this is exactly what he says it is.

Here is the growth of my fresh graft. Looks just like a cherimola x reticulata would look. I hope I keep it alive.



John, you need to give this thing an official name since it is going to be spread far and wide now.
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2020, 05:05:14 PM »
Here is my Cherilata I purchased today, it has flowers  ;D



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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2020, 06:46:40 PM »
Here is my Cherilata I purchased today, it has flowers  ;D





Niceeee, did you get this at Fruitscapes? Were there more?

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2020, 06:54:13 PM »
Here is my Cherilata I purchased today, it has flowers  ;D





Niceeee, did you get this at Fruitscapes? Were there more?

Yes, there were about 4-5 other Cherilata trees - although there was only one or two that were leafing out and bearing flowers, the others were just starting to push leaves but still were decent. They are in 7g and I paid 100$.
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2020, 07:02:36 PM »
Here is my Cherilata I purchased today, it has flowers  ;D





Niceeee, did you get this at Fruitscapes? Were there more?

Yes, there were about 4-5 other Cherilata trees - although there was only one or two that were leafing out and bearing flowers, the others were just starting to push leaves but still were decent. They are in 7g and I paid 100$.

Thanks a lot Harley!

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2020, 07:17:47 PM »
I want to go on the record and say that John is one of my all time favorite people ever. He has created an experimental commercial grove unlike anything I have ever seen and have learned so much from him. I have no doubt that this is exactly what he says it is.

Here is the growth of my fresh graft. Looks just like a cherimola x reticulata would look. I hope I keep it alive.



John, you need to give this thing an official name since it is going to be spread far and wide now.

I completely agree John Needs a name for this beautiful Hybrid. How about JP Red Cherilata or Painter Red Cherilata or perhaps Raspberry Red Cherilata?

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2020, 12:19:47 AM »
Josh your leaves look like an atemoya. Haley's leaves look more like a custard apple. If someone can take a picture of John's tree to see which of these two is closer to the mother tree. Here is what a hybrid saramoyo looks like very clear no discrepancies.
 

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2020, 08:05:51 AM »
Josh your leaves look like an atemoya. Haley's leaves look more like a custard apple. If someone can take a picture of John's tree to see which of these two is closer to the mother tree. Here is what a hybrid saramoyo looks like very clear no discrepancies.
 

clear picture of saramoyo and leaves

close up of leaves


Lovely leaves on your Saramoyo, Healthy plant.
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2020, 12:37:39 AM »
Hey JF,

Can you please elaborate on what exactly your hybrid saramuyo is? Just stating that your hybrid saramuyo looks like it’s sugar apple x reticulata or reticulata x sugar apple as it looks likes the seedlings that I sprouted of which you gave me. This John painter hybrid is of reticulata and cherimoya which is why it looks different. Also on the cherilata which was pollen parent?


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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2020, 12:55:01 AM »
The seed parent comes first in the name.

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2020, 09:54:41 AM »
Hey JF,

Can you please elaborate on what exactly your hybrid saramuyo is? Just stating that your hybrid saramuyo looks like it’s sugar apple x reticulata or reticulata x sugar apple as it looks likes the seedlings that I sprouted of which you gave me. This John painter hybrid is of reticulata and cherimoya which is why it looks different. Also on the cherilata which was pollen parent?


-Joe

Hey Joe this particular saramuyo is a SA x CA. Cross pollination occurs in nature in Yucatán, as there are thousands of trees from both species coexisting side by side in the urban area and the countryside. Josh and Haley’s trees are two different trees. At first sight , Josh appears to be a hybrid and Haley’s seen to be a custard apple. We need to see John tree to identify.
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2020, 08:00:12 PM »
My tree is changing leaves now,have to wait for photo.Not uncommon to show both forms of leaves on this tree,correlation to nitrogen levels and vigor.

What is this?
sugarlata ,bred 1993
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2020, 07:38:04 AM »
My tree is changing leaves now,have to wait for photo.Not uncommon to show both forms of leaves on this tree,correlation to nitrogen levels and vigor.

What is this?
sugarlata ,bred 1993

It's a bit small but looks like the yellow king annona from Taiwan.

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2020, 12:53:55 PM »
My tree is changing leaves now,have to wait for photo.Not uncommon to show both forms of leaves on this tree,correlation to nitrogen levels and vigor.

What is this?
sugarlata ,bred 1993

That looks delicious
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2020, 02:37:09 PM »
A look at leaves from custard apple hybrid


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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2020, 03:49:55 PM »
My tree is changing leaves now,have to wait for photo.Not uncommon to show both forms of leaves on this tree,correlation to nitrogen levels and vigor.

What is this?
sugarlata ,bred 1993

thats an saramoyo x custard apple





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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2020, 06:25:05 PM »
A look at leaves from custard apple hybrid


Yes has a lot of reticulata in that leaf morphology .How about the flowers?

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2020, 06:36:35 PM »
My tree is changing leaves now,have to wait for photo.Not uncommon to show both forms of leaves on this tree,correlation to nitrogen levels and vigor.

What is this?
sugarlata ,bred 1993

thats an saramoyo x custard apple







Some of the seedlings of my sugarlata, saramoyo (aka) sugarlata have a look like yours.The flowers are quite different than most annona with long turn up petals,kind of wispy.
 What does your saramoyos flowers look like?

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2020, 12:32:48 AM »
here is the flowers

Sisal dorado another custard apple hybrid




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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2020, 11:11:21 PM »
Well, it's pushing. Just about every variety I attempted grafting this year has pushed, 15 types approximately.

All except Rudy 20.

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2020, 09:38:20 PM »
Wanted to post these pics to this thread as a side by side high res photos now that my cherilata has fully leafed out, cherilata leaf and also a “fernandez” reticulata leaf. Think this is a cross between cherimoya and reticulata based on what painter reports but maybe got more of the cherimoya genes that code for leaf phenotype, vs the hybrid that JF is describing in Yucatan? I see the cherimoya in the leaf shape  🤷‍♂️.

Cherilata Leaves






Reticulata





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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2020, 09:58:10 PM »
Saramoyos from Yucatan do not contain cherimoya (Annona cherimola).  They do appear to be naturally occurring hybrids of Annona squamosa and Annona reticulata.
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2020, 10:30:07 PM »
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Just some random seeding from california that would make fruit here around up to tennis ball size.That tree did fade away.

John,
I still have that cherimoya. I was able to graft it onto a branch of an atemoya seedling. That branch is growing quite well and has flowered. So, we have not lost “Spain” cherimoya yet. 😉

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2020, 11:15:43 AM »
Have a grafted 3gal cherilata that is grafted on pond apple. It isn't for sale but is for trade. Looking for white ilama, grafted, or air layered. Thanks.

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2020, 12:28:18 PM »
Annona cherimola 'Spain', from California was one of four useful cherimoya varieties that I bred with in the late 80's.  The others were Chaffey and Libby and Orton.

I didn't have Selma (which already has some pink in the skin), or El Bumpo, or Fino-de-Jete, or many others that I have eaten or heard good things about in the years since.
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