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Quince Loquat
« on: May 10, 2020, 01:05:51 PM »
I recently discovered there was hybrid between the quince and the pear.named Pass Crassane  Do as anyone think it is possible to have cross between quince and a loquat?

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2020, 02:40:00 PM »
I don't think it is possible because of the genetic distance.
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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2020, 10:05:22 PM »
Is loquat even in thee we rose family?

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2020, 11:17:08 PM »
Is loquat even in thee we rose family?

Yeah it is. Learned this the hard way when all my seedlings got fireblight :(

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2020, 12:27:04 AM »
I think they may be graft-compatible.
I've heard of winter banana being used as interstock between loquat and apple.

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2020, 03:29:30 AM »
So for starters, yes, they're compatible with each other for grafting.

And to finish, I have already spoken about it on another thread ( http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=ddbb061785189420a25e1540427e9fee&topic=31659.0 ), the ( pass crassane ) is a pear and just a pear.

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2020, 11:22:14 AM »
I read your thread thank you so much It answered a lot of questions. I have never heard of the Pyronia veitchii before  does it go by any other names. I did some quick research on it. Some articles are silent on its relationship to the quince others say its a hybrid but does not state with what? again thanks for the thread.
the Loquats is in the same family (Rosaceae) as pears apples and quinces I cannot find if any have tried to make a hybrid

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2020, 02:29:19 PM »
There are some intergeneric hybrids in Rosaceae. Apple x quince, pear x quince, shipova. Eriobotrya 'Coppertone' is believed to be an intergeneric hybrid of Eriobotrya deflexa x Rhaphiolepis indica or R. x delacourii (see study below). Here's a study attempting some interspecific and intergeneric loquat crosses. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468014117300304

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/253330818_An_intergeneric_hybrid_between_Eriobotrya_and_Rhaphiolepis

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2020, 05:34:46 PM »
I am readying your articles thank you and found there have been hybrids of quince with other rosacea . Still looking to see if  anyone has tried it with the loquat I also wander if it has been tried with the Assam apple (Docynia indica)

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2020, 12:14:40 AM »
I suspect if it has been tried, it's very rarely. Usually they are in flower at quite different times of year no? Pollen would need to be stored in the fridge for a few weeks I think.
Apparently they're not as closely related and it's already difficult to hybridize between Eriobotrya and Raphiolepis - I would imagine Cydonia to be much further away.

My gut feeling is that the false quinces, Chaenomeles and Pseudocydonia, are more likely to yield hybrids, as they share more characteristics such as semi-evergreen-ness - if I had the pollen handy I'd give it a go (I have some young plants of both at my parent's place that could be used).

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2020, 04:43:24 PM »
What is the best temperature for pollen to refrigerate?

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2020, 01:07:41 PM »
Does anyone think Chaenomeles and Pseudocydonia could be crossed with the loquat. My end goal is to make a hybrid that is loquat like but cold hardier? I had hoped the quince would be the key since it has been crossed with so many other fruits

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2020, 01:58:53 PM »

Making a hybrid variety can be a good idea, keeping in mind that it will not really give the same fruit.

For chaenomeles grafting is already difficult between this species and the others that hybridization seems very difficult to me.
For the pseudocydonia maybe.
You can also try the experiment with the sorbus which has already succeeded in hybridizing with apple (malosorbus florentina), pear (sorbopyrus) and others.

If you look in the persistent species then the cotoneaster and the pyracantha (on which it can be grafted).

On the other hand, the 2 following studies show the proximity with pyrus for the first one and more strongly with pyrus pyrifolia for the second one.
https://academic.oup.com/gigascience/article/9/3/giaa015/5788433
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40064-016-3702-3

After only tests can tell us what may or may not succeed.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2020, 02:02:19 PM by shiro »

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2020, 09:41:51 AM »
thank you  I will research those studies

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2020, 11:57:10 AM »
Hi everyone,  :) I have a guestion - when is the best time for grafting loguat onto quince in zone 7 ? Tnx for any replies

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Re: Quince Loquat
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2020, 02:10:11 PM »
Spring is probably the best time although it could be done sometime else with the right conditions.
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