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Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« on: September 14, 2020, 10:15:19 PM »
My parent brought this jaboticaba from local store here and it is imported from Taiwan.  It is totally different taste from what I tried before.  It is like hypbird between grape and jab.  The seeds are more like grape seeds too.



Any advice is appreciate.

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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2020, 10:35:37 PM »
Are you sure it is a jabo?
The seeds don't look like jabo seeds, flesh is wrong too?

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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2020, 10:37:00 PM »
I was thinking the same thing. I'm not a jabo expert or anything though but the seeds seemed off.
I'd guess muscadine
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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 11:06:16 PM »
The store name the Jab, and the skin is thick and the inner is like concord grape.  I am thinking it could be a hybrid. 

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2020, 11:08:28 PM »
It definitely not grapes.  They look like Jab. 


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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2020, 11:17:04 PM »
This skin is thick.  Could it be a new type of grape?


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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2020, 11:57:26 PM »
muscadine grapes my friend

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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2020, 12:11:42 AM »
muscadine grapes my friend

Thanks, Interesting.  First time for me.  The seller is selling it as Jab.

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2020, 12:26:45 AM »
muscadine grapes my friend

Thanks, Interesting.  First time for me.  The seller is selling it as Jab.
Np I'm happy to help you out . It grapes that grow in Florida because it tolerates the heat . We have some wine making center fl use the Muscadine grape . Henscratch Farms is the one I know but I know more in FL

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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2020, 09:04:45 AM »
Muscadines are basically the jaboticaba of the temperate fruit world. One of my favorite grapes.
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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2020, 07:56:49 PM »
Muscadine grape, one of my favorite fruits. My alma mater does a lot of work with muscadines, including making juice, wine, and ice cream. I did not participate in any of that work, so I cannot tell you exactly what variety of muscadine you have but probably a Nesbitt since it seems a little small for Jumbo or Supreme. But, I have no idea what varieties are available in Taiwan, if it came from there; I did not know muscadines were grown outside of the American South.

Unlike a jaboticaba, the skin is edible. Whether you eat it or not depends on your tolerance for sourness. Skin sourness is lessened in perfectly ripe fruits, but I eat them skin and all regardless. The skin is where all the good chemicals with health benefits are located.

They can handle the same amount of heat and far more cold than your average jaboticaba, and far more heat but less cold than European grape varieties. I am not sure whether they can handle Los Angeles's dry conditions, but you could experiment with them inexpensively by scarifying, cold stratifying, and planting the seeds.

Muscadines are readily available and pretty inexpensive in the South. I wonder if whoever you bought it from is intentionally labelling the inexpensive muscadine as the more expensive (presumably more expensive since I have never seen jaboticaba fruit for sale) jaboticaba to try and make a quick buck.

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2020, 11:38:30 PM »
Hi W,

I will try to germinate some of the seeds.  I really like the fruits.  Do you know how long it will from seed to fruit?

Thanks,
Al

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2020, 12:34:05 AM »
Three years was the first thing that came to my mind. I looked it up though to make sure, and it is 3-5 years from seed. Muscadines are not usually self-fertile (I do not believe they are technically dioecious but are generally referred to as being male and female plants), so if you do get several seedlings, make sure you keep a few of them. They are also not true to type, but lack the wild variations in fruits like apples and mangoes. Ones I have tasted that were grown from seed tasted like good muscadines but probably were not as productive compared to commercial varieties. Of course, if these seeds germinate into seedlings that grow and thrive in your climate, you can order some of the best named varieties.

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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2020, 01:18:25 AM »
I were looking at this website, https://www.willisorchards.com/category/muscadine-&-scuppernong-grape-vines.  The three years old fruit vine is selling for $16.99.  I am planning to buy it.  Do you have any recommend it?

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Al

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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2020, 07:50:48 AM »
Buy it from Isons nursery. They ship bare root and they have the newest varieties. Also if you are planning to grow it in California,  they need lots of water...like a lot....
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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2020, 08:32:10 AM »
https://www.isons.com/product-category/muscadines/self-fertile-varieties/#:~:text=Self-fertile%20muscadine%20varieties%20do%20not%20cross%20pollination%20and,you%20must%20have%20a%20self-fertile%20within%2050%20feet.
This should help
Basically you need a self pollinating one and a female one....females produce larger fruits that have a great taste but need a self pollinating one to set fruit...I assume you are not going to start a vineyard?
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2020, 11:40:39 AM »
I would buy from Ison's. They are considered the gold standard among Southeastern nurseries when it comes to fruiting plants, especially muscadines. They do not have every variety but have plenty of selection for all but the most diehard muscadine growers.

However, I would germinate the seeds you have first to see if muscadines will grow in Los Angeles. That way, you are not wasting money on plants that shrivel up and die. If you have success with those seeds, then go on a muscadine buying spree.

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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2020, 01:35:42 AM »
Thanks Jaboticaba45 and W.  After did a little bit of searching online, there is a person grow muscadines here locally.  I am planning to purchase the vines and I am a newbie.  Any recommendation of which varieties are the best?  Should I order one male and female for pollination?

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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2020, 09:59:10 AM »
There are self pollinating ones and females. Females need a self pollinating one to set fruit. Self pollinatiing ones will set fruits by themselves, but the fruit will be small.
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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2020, 01:07:51 PM »
Muscadine grape,

Unlike a jaboticaba, the skin is edible. Whether you eat it or not depends on your tolerance for sourness. Skin sourness is lessened in perfectly ripe fruits, but I eat them skin and all regardless. The skin is where all the good chemicals with health benefits are located.

They can handle the same amount of heat and far more cold than your average jaboticaba, and far more heat but less cold than European grape varieties. I am not sure whether they can handle Los Angeles's dry conditions, but you could experiment with them inexpensively by scarifying, cold stratifying, and planting the seeds.


Reservoltol the chemical in the skins that is good for the heart, preventing heart Disease
 and found concentrated in the wine it is way higher in Muscadine grapes
(On this next statement do not quote me but I believe like over 50% more so)


They have a Muscadine wine made already  in Napa Valley
I am not sure If I can find the muscadine reward wine, (I cannot get in google groups) but

https://www.vivino.com/wineries/spiriterra



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Re: Need help ID this Jaboticaba?
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2020, 01:42:13 PM »
Remember you cannot graft Normal wild Muscadine onto other grape vines
So seeds are not a bad idea even if you plan to grow named grapes
 (without buying from a Nursery I know the laws are strict in CA)

When I mentioned reward
Wine growers thin the grapes for wine
this concentrates the flavors
so cheap wine higher yield
 irrigated crops more wine lower value.



Would knowing of other wild grapes interest you maybe in your area?
 have already pre wrote something, I do actually in IL. sometimes .
but do not know your area as well  to help you .

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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2020, 02:26:39 PM »
About that Muscadine gold (and a silver) What A pain to find online
 like they are trying to hid the fact muscadine could wine
even searching these key words .

Anyways Saw it on their Face book

Spiriterra's 2014 Muscadine Rose wins Gold (97 points!) at the Press Democrat 2017 North Coast Wine Challenge.

http://www.enofileonline.com/catawards.aspx?compID=296

I thought you Muscadine people would get a Laugh out of it,
 in Critical  California wine country but wanted to offer proof ..
(edit My emails of this gold award are from 2016 so they must of won more awards since it is 2017 in the link above.)
Think I'm going to listen to Charlie Daniels Now,
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2020, 11:26:14 PM »
Hi Francis,

"without buying from a Nursery I know the laws are strict in CA". 

Is that true?  I never heard that CA is strict nursery selling grape.

Thanks,
Al

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2020, 11:12:32 PM »
I purchased the Lane and Paulk Muscadine vines, and Concord seedless grapes vine  from Ison today.  Are they good enough for starter?  I really want the Fry seedless one, but they ran out.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2020, 12:03:42 PM »
I purchased the Lane and Paulk Muscadine vines, and Concord seedless grapes vine  from Ison today.  Are they good enough for starter?  I really want the Fry seedless one, but they ran out.
When I was at Ison's I asked about the seedless one and they didn't reccomend it. I picked up about 10 plants there, but have not had a chance to set up the vineard so they are just sitting out on my driveway ;D . I could send you some cuttings of the plants, but most of them are patented varieties and it is too late in season this year. Since the varieties you got are self fertile, there will be no issue with fruit set although females generally produce bigger fruits.
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